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  • Gen II Header Prototype Update

    Well folks, I wanted to post pictures of the headers that we completed mock-up of last night, but they are too big to post (over 1.5 MB). Plus they are a little "grainy" since they were taken on an old film camera with less than perfect lighting. I will have to find a way to shrink them and get them out here.

    Thanks to betterthanyou for the awesome flanges (I think I will have to do business with you some more!) that got the project started! We built them on my race engine on a stand, now the next step is to test fit them on my old engine in the car. If they fit with no clearance issues, I will send them back for "finish welding" (everything is tack welded now), get them JetHot coated, and then we'll be ready to rock and roll.

    My buddy and I have 12 hours each into these things just to mock them up, but better tools will speed up the process. We made all the cuts with a hack-saw using a hose clamp to keep them square, and then cleaned up the cuts with hand files. We will upgrade to better tools for future sets to speed this up. If these work as well as we hope, we want to build more sets for others. These should work for Gen II or Hybrid 2nd Gen J-Bodies (we will just have to change the flange). The cost will be much less the JBP, but they still won't be cheap. If they get coated, then the cost will creap closer to JBP, but still be cheaper. In case none of you have tried this, it takes time and that costs some money.

    I am very happy right now! They look good, and they have to flow better than the crappy factory manifolds. They aren't equal length pipes, but we tried to keep them somewhat close. There just isn't alot of extra space in the engine compartment to snake the pipes for exact equal length, especially for the front. We concentrated on smooth gradual turns and transitions. We'll learn from the prototypes and try to improve them for the "production run" (which will be limited by demand and free time). Maybe we'll be able to start turning them out in the late summer or early fall.

    I'll try to get pictures out here soon, and once I get runs on the car, I'll be thrilled to post results. I'm shooting for low 14's, maybe even very high 13's in great air with a tail wind!
    Joe Morgan
    bracketracer
    '93 Sunbird SE 3.1/5-speed 14.869 @ 90.96 Heavily Modded
    '00 Grand Prix GTP Sedan 13.689 @ 100.97 Lightly Modded
    '09 G8 GXP Manual Trans 13.166 @ 106.47 BONE STOCK

  • #2
    To post pics that large, go to a hostin site like photobucket (it's free) and upload the pics and click on the "insert image" icon and put in the image URL . I'm curios to see them.
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    • #3
      if u need i have a server that u can host on let me know

      1998 Monte Carlo Ls White 110K

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      • #4
        I found it easier to make the front equal length than the rear. All of mine were within an inch of being equal, and I did it initially by eye.

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        • #5
          You can also post them in our gallery here (http://60degreev6.com/gallery) and link from there. I know its set up for larger files.
          -Brad-
          89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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          • #6
            Thanks for the update everyone! I will try to get them posted by tonight.
            Joe Morgan
            bracketracer
            '93 Sunbird SE 3.1/5-speed 14.869 @ 90.96 Heavily Modded
            '00 Grand Prix GTP Sedan 13.689 @ 100.97 Lightly Modded
            '09 G8 GXP Manual Trans 13.166 @ 106.47 BONE STOCK

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            • #7
              I got 4 of the smaller sized pictures posted in the gallery under Member Categories, bracketracer, Prototype Gen II J-Body Headers. I would appreciate any feedback that anyone can provide (based on the poor quality photos anyway). I plan to test-fit them in the car in the next few days.
              Joe Morgan
              bracketracer
              '93 Sunbird SE 3.1/5-speed 14.869 @ 90.96 Heavily Modded
              '00 Grand Prix GTP Sedan 13.689 @ 100.97 Lightly Modded
              '09 G8 GXP Manual Trans 13.166 @ 106.47 BONE STOCK

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              • #8






                -Brad-
                89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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                Follow the build -> http://www.3x00swap.com/index.php?page=mustang-blog

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                • #9
                  Thanks for linking these up bszopi, I'm not very computer savvy!
                  Joe Morgan
                  bracketracer
                  '93 Sunbird SE 3.1/5-speed 14.869 @ 90.96 Heavily Modded
                  '00 Grand Prix GTP Sedan 13.689 @ 100.97 Lightly Modded
                  '09 G8 GXP Manual Trans 13.166 @ 106.47 BONE STOCK

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                  • #10
                    Looks decent.

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                    • #11
                      looks okay to me.
                      what size primaries did you choose ?

                      do you have any close-ups from the welds ?

                      B
                      nothing's impossible-it's just a mindset

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                      • #12
                        The primaries are 1 5/8", which flow into 2" crossover, which flow into 2 1/2" which is the size of my exhaust.

                        There are no close-ups because this is just the mock-up. Right now tack welds hold everything in place. Once I test fit them in the car, and everything fits without obstruction, the headers will go back for final welding. After that, they will take a trip to JetHot.

                        I will take some close-up shots once the final welding is done, and then also after coating, and post them too.
                        Joe Morgan
                        bracketracer
                        '93 Sunbird SE 3.1/5-speed 14.869 @ 90.96 Heavily Modded
                        '00 Grand Prix GTP Sedan 13.689 @ 100.97 Lightly Modded
                        '09 G8 GXP Manual Trans 13.166 @ 106.47 BONE STOCK

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                        • #13
                          sweet! how much are we looking at $$$?
                          Andy

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                          fastest 1/8: 10.19@ 67.17
                          fastest 1/4: 16.16@ 82.70

                          62mm TB, 1.6 roller tip rockers, Ostrich 2.0, UD pulley, TB heater bypass, K&N, 180* stat, No cat, 99Grand AM dual cooling fans. 4T65E swap FDR 3.69, EP LSD, F.A.S.T. transmission controller, TransGo shift kit.

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                          • #14
                            Nice work!

                            that's a similar design to the last set i built...
                            Past Builds;
                            1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                            1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                            Current Project;
                            1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                            • #15
                              No flex pipe on the crossover?

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