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  • Supercharged 3.1 in a Sonoma

    So recently a friend of mine blew up the 2.5 in his 93 Sonoma. Since this is more-or-less his DD, he needed to get a new engine in as quickly as possible. A week later his brother gave him a 94 Sunbird with a rebuilt 3.1. So that's how this project came to be. Goal is to make as much reliable power as possible, maybe with a 3400 upgrade in the future. So far only around $500 has been spent.

    Old duke coming out




    Engine bay before and after


    Just a quick tremclad roller paint job

    Fiero engine to be used for a few parts, like the RWD timing cover

    2.8 was pretty sludged up. Like it had never had an oil change. This engine had only 100,000 miles on a rebuild

    Sunbird engine coming out



    Next he picked up a Supercoupe M90 for $100


    Block torn down



    RWD timing cover mocked up with intakes. No drilling out of holes or plugging extra coolant passage necessary for mounting on a gen II, and only minor grinding to the upper tab on the cover were necessary



    Heads off and ready for some mild porting



    Heads and LIM reinstalled (LIM flipped 180*), new timing chain installed also



    T5 mounted up with clearanced 2.5 bellhousing, 3.1 FWD flywheel, the old duke's clutch (still plenty of life left), and a new Sachs pressure plate



    OBX S10 2.8 headers!

    Lower holes slotted


    OBX Y-pipe mocked up




    Timing cover and water pump re-installed (I know the water pump has the wrong pulley on it right now)


    Rough drawing of planned belt routing. Going to be mounting the alternator and power steering pump in the same place as on my 3500


    So for the rest of the build here are the plans:
    Modify the crossmember for oil pan clearance (would be helpful for future 3400 swap)
    Solid motor mounts similar to the ones on my 3500
    Remote mount supercharger on the passenger's side
    Use TGP intercooler to aid in keeping IATs down
    Old Greddy BOV from his Audi A4 1.8T
    Weld a flex-pipe into the OBX Y-pipe (fitment isn't ideal anyway)
    Run $12P on a 7165 with a mostly stock wiring harness or use the stock 6647 if it's compatible (pinouts are identical to the 7165). Use a 3800sc 2-bar MAP sensor for boost.
    Stock VR6 injectors leftover from his VR6 A4 project
    Play with pulley sizes to get the right amount of boost (anyone have experience with this?)

    Obviously the gen II motor isn't ideal, but it was free and this should make boatloads of power more than the 2.5. The T5 could be a weak link but could be upgraded with a V8 WC T5 eventually. The OBX headers are actually quite nice; only snag is that the y-pipe wasn't designed very well and needs an O2 bung added. Injectors and clutch may need to be upgraded as well.
    Last edited by caffeine; 02-03-2015, 04:18 AM.
    '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
    '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

  • #2
    I have commend you on your tenacity. Hope it all works out !!!

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    • #3
      This is a cool little swap. 3.1 is an ideal truck motor.

      Are u using the FWD oil pan ? Will it clear ?
      Last edited by Mars; 05-20-2013, 12:23 AM.
      11.92 @ 122 MPH 3400 91 Cavalier Z24 Intercooled S/C. -totalled-
      10.56 @ 130 MPH 3900 LZ9 87 IROC Z28 Intercooled GT4088 Turbo

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      • #4
        2.8 Fiero oil pan (because that's where the timing cover came from), pretty much same size as 3.1 oil pan. Motor mounts were done today. Pics to follow.
        '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
        '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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        • #5
          Flex pipe welded into Y-pipe. Fits mint now


          Engine fitment pics



          Mounts



          In the next two pictures, you can see where the crossmember was notched. Notch is slightly bigger than was necessary, but it worked well. Next it will be boxed in.



          Rough position supercharger will inhabit


          With flex pipe welded in, Y-pipe fitment is excellent. Appears to be no ground clearance issues as a bonus.


          Mounts still need to be fully welded and reinforced, but pretty much all the major stuff is taken care of. As long as the ECM and fuel lines are sorted out in time, we're gonna try to fire this up on Wednesday. So far I think we're only on week 3 so that's pretty good for time! Been doing most of the work on Wednesdays from 10 PM to Thursday 5 AM lol.

          We went with a frame notch rather than an S10 2.8 oil pan because a) it was cheaper and b) it should leave enough room to to pretty much drop in a 3400 in the future.
          Last edited by caffeine; 02-03-2015, 04:24 AM.
          '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
          '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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          • #6
            We went with a frame notch rather than an S10 2.8 oil pan because a) it was cheaper and b) it should leave enough room to to pretty much drop in a 3400 in the future.
            ^ cool.
            11.92 @ 122 MPH 3400 91 Cavalier Z24 Intercooled S/C. -totalled-
            10.56 @ 130 MPH 3900 LZ9 87 IROC Z28 Intercooled GT4088 Turbo

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            • #7
              Watching.
              95 Beretta 3100 with 3400 intakes and TCE TB
              High flow cat and a Magnaflow muffler
              Grand Prix trans with 3.33FDR

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Purple pit View Post
                Watching.
                Ditto.
                -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
                91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
                92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
                94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
                Originally posted by Jay Leno
                Tires are cheap clutches...

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                • #9
                  Nice, watching as well!
                  Past Builds;
                  1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                  1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                  Current Project;
                  1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                  • #10
                    Unfortunately didn't get much done on Wednesday, but got the sc mount mostly finished and worked on other accessory mounts as well. Wiring is mostly finished.

                    Frame notch boxed in


                    Wiring progress


                    Still have to add in a tensioner but mostly finshed
                    Last edited by caffeine; 02-03-2015, 04:26 AM.
                    '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
                    '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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                    • #11
                      that belt is almost as long as a northstar timing chain.
                      1995 Monte Carlo LS 3100, 4T60E...for now, future plans include driving it until the wheels fall off!
                      Latest nAst1 files here!
                      Need a wiring diagram for any GM car or truck from 82-06(and 07-08 cars)? PM me!

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                      • #12
                        maybe an idler and a tensioner, to get more belt wrap on that charger.

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                        • #13
                          Ya that belt isn't the one we're actually using. Just something to help us align the pulleys. The tensioner should place the pulley as close to the crank pulley as possible which should wrap the charger nicely.
                          '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
                          '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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                          • #14
                            All accessory mounts have more-or-less been finalized. SC mount was re-done, and PS pump bracket is now completely custom to allow the alternator to swing down a little more.

                            Tensioner


                            PS Pump


                            SC Mount





                            Measuring belt length


                            Coil mount


                            Wiring more-or-less finished


                            Accessories all figured out!


                            Motor installed permanently



                            Didn't bother finishing it up because one of the fuel fittings didn't arrive in time. It really just needs to be put together and intake piping finished.
                            Last edited by caffeine; 02-03-2015, 04:30 AM.
                            '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
                            '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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                            • #15
                              It's early and i haven't quite woken up yet... but are you sure your water pump is going to spin the correct way?
                              Past Builds;
                              1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                              1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                              Current Project;
                              1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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