6/6 cam timing help!

[bve32k]

I put the car all together and now it sounds like major ass.

It gave me a hard start and then the engine was making a loud noise. Most likely it is timing. Should I just make it so the flats are up and leave it at that or try different #'s?

[Darin]

I hope you didnt bend any valves.

[bve32k]

I am pretty positive I am fine. I did it wrong and I talked to oldskool and he told me what I did wrong. So I am going to give it another try tomorrow.

[SappySE107]

I guess im not the best at explaining stuff. I hope it works out better for you with josh's directions. On a 96 motor you dont want to do 6/6 timing as its not the same timing equivalent as the 91-95 motors that it is intended for.

[bve32k]

I guess im not the best at explaining stuff. I hope it works out better for you with josh's directions. On a 96 motor you dont want to do 6/6 timing as its not the same timing equivalent as the 91-95 motors that it is intended for.

Josh said I can do it on the 96 motor. I told him I had a 96 motor and said that is fine. He said on his car he has a 96 body, 92 engine and 96 cam carriers, cogs and cams I believe. He said with the 96 engine it just has different cogs and belt and that it will work.

So does anyone know if it will work or not? Josh is the only one that says I can do it.

[OldSkoolGP]

I guess I don't know what Ben means by the same timing equivalent. The only difference between the 91-95 and 96 cam setup is the cogs. Then 96 cogs have more teeth, therefore require a different belt. But that doesn't matter when you're setting the timing because the cogs aren't locked to the cams anyway. Yes, a 96 engine is an interference engine, but you're not going to hurt anything by using 6/6 timing on it. And just because I haven't heard of anyone doing it on a 96 engine yet, I don't see whay that means he couldn't. My engine may be a '92 with '92 pistons, but I use '96 cam carriers and cogs, and we've proven the '96 cams are almost identical to the old ones. I guess I need a better explanation form Ben on his view of this.

[SappySE107]

No, the 96 cams aren't in the same open/close valve timing events. The place you sent the cams too didn't know how to find centerline because it wasn't a V8 cam.

EZ112 has done it and he has a 96 so listen to him.

[OldSkoolGP]

Well it's news to me, but I'll keep it in mind. We should make note of that in the cam timing write-ups.

[bve32k]

Alright..So I guess 6/6 isn't going to work with my car. I timed it today to 6/2 but haven't finished putting it together yet so don't know how it runs yet.

[heza]

i guess im totally lost with everything now. i saw Your_I.D. did 6/6 on his '97 motor without issues a while ago and now theres more conflict with the viewpoints in this thread i dont even know what to follow.

may someone sum up all the tidbits into a finalized statement that people may follow? because i know when i do my timing belt, i planned on 6/6 for my '96 motor.

[bve32k]

i guess im totally lost with everything now. i saw Your_I.D. did 6/6 on his '97 motor without issues a while ago and now theres more conflict with the viewpoints in this thread i dont even know what to follow.

may someone sum up all the tidbits into a finalized statement that people may follow? because i know when i do my timing belt, i planned on 6/6 for my '96 motor.

I think to sum it all up that Ben is trying to say that the 96 cams are different than the 91 - 95 cams. The cogs are also different. There are more teeth on the 96 cogs than the 91 - 95 cogs.

I am pretty sure that ez112 was assuming that the exhuast is already 4 degree's retarded so thats what I assumed too. So I set it to 6/2. it seems to be working fine for me right now. Feels like I have a little more power than before.

[ez112]

I had the same problems as mentioned when I did 6/6. It started, and idled half assed. In gear you can tell there was a lot of engine movement. I could tell because my exhaust was hitting my heat shield. It still ran, and once on the road...hello!

But it just isn't streetable. Eventually you're going to have to come to a stop and it's gonna suck.

6/2 worked out wonders for me. Glad it worked for you, bve32k.

[joey b]

I don't have exact degree measurements, but I aimed for 6/6 with my 97 and have had no problems.

[bve32k]

I don't know if I am supposed to, but I get more vibration from the engine now since I re-timed it. Is this normal or ok to be happening?

[bve32k]

Grrr...I think I am going to go back to stock. My car is acting weird now since I retimed it. It won't allow me to remote start it anymore. I tries to start and then stops and tries to start and then stops. Then if I turn that off and go in the car and start it with the key it starts right up.

For some reason the car doesn't start up all the time. Yesterday it was trying to start and trying to start but wouldn't. No clue what was wrong with it. So I think I am on my way back to stock.

For stock I would just keep the flats straight up and thats it. No tilting of the cams?

Thanks, Ken