6/6 cam timing help!

[bve32k]

I have some questions about the 6/6 cam timing.

I put the tool on the cams while the belt was on and locked the cams. Now am I supposed to set the cams back to 0 or keep them at 12 where they stopped?

Me and my buddy moved them to 0 and then where not sure so we moved them back to 12 where it was before.

And how do you determine TDC?

[MonteMonster95]

Which engine are you working on?

[birdman]

well 6/6 has to be 3.4 unless you used a magicical cam on a pushrod motor

[bve32k]

This is the front cam. Now which way do I turn the arms? Doesn't exactly say in the directions.

[SappySE107]

You want to turn the right one in the pic (the one near the intake) 3 degrees away from the intake (to the left). You want to turn the other one 3 degrees to the right.

On the back cam, you can do it the same way if you face the degree side away from you. Otherwise face it towards you and do that one backwards (the intake cam 3 degrees to the right and the exhaust 3 degrees to the left).

[bve32k]

Like this?

And then the rear..For instance..say this one is the rear one.



Which I do it like the one above or would it be a little different?

Thanks Ben!

[bve32k]

Ok..Now we have the front cams like you said from the pic. The right one we put it 3 degrees to the left and the left one we put 3 degrees to the right.

Now in the directions it said put the lock ring or something on after tighting the 10mm bolts. What lock ring? How do you keep the cams at that degree after you take the tool off?

[SappySE107]

What year is your DOHC? Do you have the lockrings out yet because you need at least 3 of the lock rings out of the motor to time it. 91-93 you have to pull the cam gears off to get the lockrings out. 94+ is easier as you can remove the cam bolt and then remove the lockring. I try tapping the back of the cam gear with a hammer to break them loose.

[bve32k]

I have a 95 GP with 96 engine..

[bve32k]

This picture is of the rear one. The red arrow is 3 degree's to the right and the blue arrow is 3 degrees to the left.

Here is the rear one. We did it fine without removing the locking rings. Turned it so that the flats where facing up and then adjusted the cams according to degrees on the tools and the cams moved with it.

[SappySE107]

I think you got the rear cam backwards. You want the intake cam 3 degrees to the right and the exhaust cam 3 degrees to the left.

[bve32k]

Ok..this officially makes no sense.

Once you take off the tool from timing the cams, the cams move a little once you take it off.

Ben do you think you can explain it in details on how to do it. Only from timing them to putting the belt on. Are the lock rings the things that are right after the bolt on the cams? I also read through the directions that came in the box and it doesn't say at all move the cams this way or that way and it says something about 6.5 cam degree's. Offically confused!

I will try and get some pics of what I have right now..

[bve32k]

Here are a few pictures..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/bve32k/rear_cam2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/bve32k/front_cam_carrier.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/bve32k/engine_strip2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/bve32k/engine_strip.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/bve32k/cam_cogs.jpg

Edit: If you have AIM Ben my S/N is bve32k

[ez112]

I did the 6/6 EXACTLY on my 96 and it didn't work out right.

I was led to believe that the 96 and 97 engine already has 4 degrees retarded exhaust than on the 95 engine.

So I put my car at 6/2 Meaning 3/1 on cam degree (marks on the tool) and it worked out fine.

http://www.ez112.com/angelfire%20site/cars/Monte/100_1441.jpg

This is a pitcure of 6/6 in PLACE and it didn't work wonderfully. This is the front bank (obviously). Notice which way the cams go. Think of the movement of the crankshaft. Whatever goes WITH the crank is + and what goes backwards is -

I'm only speaking from experience. Now you do whatever you want to do. I wound up tearing my car apart like three times til I got it right. (don't know what happened that second time :P )

P.S. I notice the scoring on your tool. What I did to help move the cam is bonk it with a RUBBER mallet to help move a subborn cam.

[bve32k]

Right now I set it up like Ben said..so I dunno if it is going to work or not. I guess I will find out when everything is back together.

Then again it could work for me and it could not. I have a 95 body with a 96 engine. But I never converted to OBDII. I am still at OBDI (1.5). So I am going to flip if it doesn't run right.