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  • #16
    increasing boost on a supercharger isnt quite as simple & nice as increasing it with a turbo-of course you can always lower the pulley size, but then again the supercharger can only spin so fast before its past its peak efficiency & you may start running into problems & may be better off with a bigger blower

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    • #17
      A CSC can approach the efficiency of a turbo, so I think you'll be good with one of these.
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      • #18
        well im pretty sure im not gonna do it...

        directly from JE.

        "The pistons we made you are a 2618 Alloy, and that is our choice material. The difference between a N/A piston and a forced induction is the thicknesses and skirt design."



        im pretty sure i could get away with it and be just fine with a small amount of boost but idk if im willing to take that chance. they wernt really specific so i asked them if they didnt recomend it. waiting for a reply... nitrous is my next question for em
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        • #19
          You are good, just do it
          Ben
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          • #20
            As long as its not thinner than a stock piston, you should be fine. Stockers work for decent levels of boost..
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            1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
            16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
            Original L82 Longblock
            with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
            Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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            • #21
              with 10.5 CR, 5-6 psi would be pushing it. the LS1/6 kits are only 4.5 psi. and those engine are better.
              Andy

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              • #22
                Originally posted by torq455 View Post
                with 10.5 CR, 5-6 psi would be pushing it. the LS1/6 kits are only 4.5 psi. and those engine are better.
                I'd agree with that.

                You are going to have some righteous detonation problems anywhere above very modest boost.

                OTOH, if you do want to try out 10 PSI, be sure to let one of us know so we can be there with a camera....

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                • #23
                  10psi with meth injection and some good gas should be do-able.
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                  1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                  16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                  Original L82 Longblock
                  with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                  Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by IsaacHayes View Post
                    10psi with meth injection and some good gas should be do-able.
                    Well yeah. The answer to how much boost you can run with 92 octane and 10.5 compression is basically NONE!

                    If you have access to racing gas then you can run a little boost.

                    Far better to drop the compression down under about 9.5 and run a reasonable amount of boost.

                    I run 12-13 psi on 8.5 and on 94 octane it will detonate on a long run (good thing I also run a knock sensor that kills the fuel feed!)

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                    • #25
                      what are you basing that on? A 60V6 that has tried it? if not, don't tell me you can't run 6psi on 10.5:1 with pump gas. I bet 12.4:1 won't run on pump gas either by the logic being used for the above statement, yet it does and is. 11.5:1 on midgrade NA.

                      Is the LS motor better? Overall probably, but they don't have the I/E flow ratio that the 3500 heads have. They don't have splayed valves. I don't know what their quench is either but you might want to compare specs that matter to knock resistance.
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                      • #26
                        from JE

                        "The piston can take boost as long as you don't detonate"

                        so it looks like im gonna try a few lbs. does any1 have a good place to start learning about superchargers/setups? i have googled a little bit but havnt even had a chance to sit down and spend a few hours doing it
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                        • #27
                          As long as quench is within spec, you can run as much boost your engine can handle assuming you can tune very well, don't pop headgaskets, lift heads, or blow apart manifolds (this I have not seen yet using stock manifolds) & supply the correct fuel.

                          Lowering the CR for boost is old school thinking and is a thing of the past.
                          Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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                          • #28
                            lol i still cant figure out tunning. a member here did/is tunning on my current engine and maybe he will be interisted in this when the time comes
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                            77 Celica GT- 3400/3500 swap in progress (engine from the beretta)

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                            • #29
                              If I cared enough to get all the tools and software back, I'd be willing to help you out. Just that now I rather pay someone to tune my ecu's as it's cheap enough and everyone and there mother tunes nowadays.
                              Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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                              • #30
                                Yes, but not everyone and their mother are worth a damn.
                                Ben
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