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  • i wanna go 12s...all engine

    ok...so here is the thing. Im tired of all them on gagt bitching about the FI bs and all that. So i want to run 12s with all engine and alot of juice. If i break this engine(3400) then i guess ill build a 3500 and see what i can do with it. So far i think i have enough gear and enough stall...3.91 gears, LSD, and a 2500 stall. I also now have some DRs and they are on shorter rims, which will also effectively increase my overall gear ratio somewhere into the 4.000 range or somewhere close. Ill have a fairly high comp 3400 so far with running 10:1, and all teh ported goodies. Ill also have a TCE 65mm tb, headers, an exh cutout that i can use, full catback, as well as a balanced crank, a good cam, severe duty head gaskets(to take the abuse) and enough dyno time as i need for free. ill tune for 91 octane as well as lower octane for driving(87) then maybe a tune for race fuel. Ill also have one for nitrous. That is going to be the fun one. Im prob just going to run a fogger kit, because itll be the least amount of hassle and be easiest to tune with and change jets on.

    Is there any input that you might suggest in my quest besides go turbod...i dont wanna hear that. I dont care if its a 12.999, i just want 12s. I may build another engine and make it a higher comp, but ill decide later whether its a 3400 or 3500...maybe even a 3900. The trans is not a problem, so dont worry about that one. Im prob going to try some weight reduction with just some simple stuff, and take the side mirrors off, pass seat swap for driver, then take the back seat out of the back(bottom only) and the spare tire and jack. THats about it. I dont want anyone complaining that its not an actual DD. Ill drive it to the track and away from the track also. Im looking at a 7k redline. I may need to get a bigger cam, ill decide later on that one. The lift is good at .528 valve lift, but i may need some bigger duration. mine is a 206/208...i may need something in the 214/220 maybe? i really dont care for driveability for this feat, so i can go larger on the cam if i need to. Then of course itll be larger injectors, i have those on lock also and a harness adapter. Either the trailblazer injectors or the L67 ones with the adapter plates off TCE. A wideband is also in the mix. so any input? im staying stock rods but they were shot peened. Anyone can search for my build threads, but i have gone pretty far with this engine. I may look at getting a spare block and putting the oil squirters on it.
    so do you think 12s are possible without boost, just with juice
    Last edited by gectek; 08-08-2008, 07:06 PM.

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    Yes it's possible, 250hp nitrous will do a nicely built engine just fine
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    • #3
      my exact same goal to shut up clubGP and there 3800 powns all attitude but with out the happy gas

      well here is what i am going to do 3400 block with the 3.4L camaro pistons (you'ss have a bought 11.5:1 comp) use a ported 3500 top end. get a really nasty cam like FF has for his high compretion build then a ton of tuning and top it off with a 100+ shot of happy gas
      Last edited by 01GPGT; 08-08-2008, 02:55 AM.
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      • #4
        put a built 3500 in a fiero....
        3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
        96 LT4 6spd corvette. 355, AI 215cc LT4 Comp CNC Heads, Prope SRS pistons, Ported intake, ARH long tubes, Corsa Indy Pace 4:10 gears
        2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo 6spd
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        • #5
          well the fiero is a diff car, alot lighter and easier to achieve the 12s...ill have to do some good tuning and see what i can do on mine with all 3400 stuff for now.

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          • #6
            I'm going to the track tonight.. shooting for 12's w/o nitrous :P
            Past Builds;
            1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
            1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
            Current Project;
            1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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            • #7
              if you do, that will give me hope

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              • #8
                I'll let you know what I run with my 100 shot on my hybrid... I'm getting a wideband so I can properly tune this thing and hopefully put down some 12's too.

                I went from a 15.3 average to a 13.818 with just adding a 100 shot... If I'm already doing 14.46's with a bad tune and that wicked high stall converter I got rid of, I dont think 12's are out of my reach with the juice.

                And isnt All Engine and juice a contradiction? Technically Nitrous is a form of forced induction.
                Last edited by 3400-95-Modified; 08-08-2008, 01:47 PM.

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                Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
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                12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                • #9
                  well u know what i meant...lol. yah i mean id love to go all engine into the 12s...that would show those boosted guys a thing or 2. but anywho, i would have changed the title, but i thought about it after i posted. oh well. and i wouldnt consider nitrous forced induction, only a power adder...2 diff subjects to me

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                  • #10
                    Yeah thats how I feel but others object to that because of the fact that your putting in liquid form oxygen in a way and it expands to increase your compression ratio... Similar to boosted, BUT yes not the same.

                    Got Lope?
                    3500 Build, Comp XFI Cam 218/230 .050 dur .570/.568 lift 113LSA
                    Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
                    Stage-1 Raybestos/Alto 4t60e-HD, EP LSD, 3.69FDR
                    12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                    • #11
                      NOS is 100% forced induction in my books (as well as in the books i've read). You're FORCIBLY INDUCING oxygen under pressure into the intake of the engine. It's really more like "cheating" then my blower because my engine has to work for it's oxygen where as NOS comes in a bottle with no assistance needed by the engine.

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                      • #12
                        how do you cheat when there are no rules. such a mystery.
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                        • #13
                          lmao... thats a good one.

                          BUT your not forcibly inducing oxygen under pressure because nitrous cars dont have positive intake pressures.

                          Your just spraying in a liquid that super cools the intake and then expands in the cylinder to raise the compression. And the comment on your motor having to use power to make more power... Well that just sucks to be you... LMAO

                          OHHH... Wiki definition... Yes I know its wiki, but it shows there are two categories, Forced Induction and Power Adders...

                          Two of the commonly used forced induction technologies are turbochargers and superchargers. They differ primarily in the power source for the compressor. There is a difference between forced induction and power adders. A power adder is anything that improves an engine's power output, which does not necessarily mean increasing charge density. Oxidizing technologies such as nitrous oxide injection systems provide improved power, but are not a form of forced induction.
                          Last edited by 3400-95-Modified; 08-08-2008, 03:04 PM.

                          Got Lope?
                          3500 Build, Comp XFI Cam 218/230 .050 dur .570/.568 lift 113LSA
                          Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
                          Stage-1 Raybestos/Alto 4t60e-HD, EP LSD, 3.69FDR
                          12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                          • #14
                            holy cow...i just won!!! what do i get...???oh yah i get to spend more money on a nitrous kit, lol

                            and yah ur not forcing it in, it flows in due to the lower pressure situation.

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                            • #15
                              I would like to see more 12's in a GA and I dont care how its done. I think it would be great if you could get their N/A with some juice so good luck.
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