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    Just started a 1996 3100 build for my 94 Grand Prix. Engine has roller cam/rockers, and a rediculous dished piston that I am told yeilds a CR of 8.8:1. Would like to boost CR to about 9.5:1 and get a little hotter cam. Any suggestions?

  • #2
    head decking, thinner hg's, longer rods, swapping the crank out. I think (assuming you used a 2000+ 3100 motor) you can swap in a 3400 crank.

    Be careful, you don't want to fall out of the quench area.
    Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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    • #3
      Looks like I had some bad CR data. According to this sites CR calculator I have a 9.36:1 CR. Thats ok, But still need info about performance cam for factory roller setup. Engine is a 96.

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      • #4
        3400 crank is identical to the 3100, 3.1, and 3.4 DOHC so that wasn't good info. Stock compression is supposed to be 9.5:1 but I am not sure if any of those numbers on our calculator are wrong.

        I have comp roller cams on wot-tech, with a listing for all the lobes. I also offer a cam selection service, which is free after purchase of a cam. For a 96 you are looking at something around a 206 duration .480 lift cam, since you will need a 97 ECM to do tuning. I know that cam will work with your stock ECM. You should get a 3400 throttle body (56mm) as well, as its a solid upgrade over your stock 52mm unit.
        Ben
        60DegreeV6.com
        WOT-Tech.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1988GTU View Post
          head decking, thinner hg's, longer rods, swapping the crank out. I think (assuming you used a 2000+ 3100 motor) you can swap in a 3400 crank.

          Be careful, you don't want to fall out of the quench area.
          Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
          3400 crank is identical to the 3100, 3.1, and 3.4 DOHC so that wasn't good info. Stock compression is supposed to be 9.5:1 but I am not sure if any of those numbers on our calculator are wrong.

          I have comp roller cams on wot-tech, with a listing for all the lobes. I also offer a cam selection service, which is free after purchase of a cam. For a 96 you are looking at something around a 206 duration .480 lift cam, since you will need a 97 ECM to do tuning. I know that cam will work with your stock ECM. You should get a 3400 throttle body (56mm) as well, as its a solid upgrade over your stock 52mm unit.
          I wasn't sure about some facts so I sorta gave me disclaimer.
          Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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          • #6
            Thanks for the info, checked the website,looks good. These camshafts an upgrade to the factory roller? Also, while the engine is a 96, it will go in a 94, so whatever cam I use must get along with the 94 computer.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by aedden1 View Post
              Thanks for the info, checked the website,looks good. These camshafts an upgrade to the factory roller? Also, while the engine is a 96, it will go in a 94, so whatever cam I use must get along with the 94 computer.
              Then you will be advised to stay 90% stock and nothing internally should be tampered with. Swap to OBD2 and start tuning.
              Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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              • #8
                or OBD1
                Past Builds;
                1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                Current Project;
                1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                • #9
                  Not with a 4t60EEEEEEEEE
                  Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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                  • #10
                    he never said what trans he was using

                    But yes he could most likely use OBD1 and $1FA code to run the E trans.
                    Past Builds;
                    1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                    1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                    Current Project;
                    1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by aedden1 View Post
                      Just started a 1996 3100 build for my 94 Grand Prix. Engine has roller cam/rockers, and a rediculous dished piston that I am told yeilds a CR of 8.8:1. Would like to boost CR to about 9.5:1 and get a little hotter cam. Any suggestions?
                      Originally posted by Superdave View Post
                      he never said what trans he was using

                      But yes he could most likely use OBD1 and $1FA code to run the E trans.
                      A 94 GP comes standard with a 4t60sleeezyE.
                      Why go through all the hassle when an obd2 swap for a GP of that nature isn't really that hard?
                      Last edited by 1988GTU; 06-12-2009, 08:37 AM.
                      Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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                      • #12
                        I'd swap to the large port intake manifolds if you are going to swap a cam. If you have the heads off might as well get a whole 3400 top end or 2000+ 3100 top end. The small port intakes suck!

                        And yeah with a cam you'll need a tune unless it's pretty mild. But even then without a tune with a mild cam you won't see the full potential.
                        sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
                        1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                        16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                        Original L82 Longblock
                        with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                        Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 1988GTU View Post
                          A 94 GP comes standard with a 4t60sleeezyE.
                          Why go through all the hassle when an obd2 swap for a GP of that nature isn't really that hard?
                          because tuning OBD1 is cheaper.


                          HP Tuners is $500 but an Ostrich is $175 plus Tunerpro which is free and a memcal adapter is $35.
                          Past Builds;
                          1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                          1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                          Current Project;
                          1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                          • #14
                            Not knowing where the guy lives, he could have strict E/I/M testing and would need to retain obd1."5" or higher to pass. A lot easier to manipulate the pcm than an ecu in my opinion.
                            Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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                            • #15
                              to each his own, the OBD1 3400 swap chips i sell have no problems passing emissions.. even with the EGR disabled.
                              Past Builds;
                              1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                              1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                              Current Project;
                              1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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