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    i know about the lt1/ls1 spring swap into the 60degree lifters, but ive got lots of spare lifters layin around, what about doubling up on the stock springs?
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    turbo 3400: 358whp and 365tq at 9 psi
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  • #2
    after everything you've got done to this motor, you wanna cheap out now, instead of buying a set of LT/LS lifters to take parts from? you can geta used set of lifters on ebay for like 40 bucks :P i just missed a set, 87k miles, they sold for 35 shipped that also included the cam, pushrods, and guide, too.

    Cammed 3400 --> 224whp 210wtq
    Cammed 3500 --> ???
    1 of 5 3500 J-Bodies

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    • #3
      take the 2 springs out of the stock 3400 lifter and throw them away
      put teh 2 new springs from the LS/LT lifter into the 3400 one. reassemble, you are good.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gectek View Post
        take the 2 springs out of the stock 3400 lifter and throw them away
        put teh 2 new springs from the LS/LT lifter into the 3400 one. reassemble, you are good.
        thats what i did and it took what seemed like forever. i think i had to take apart 24 and put back together 12 lifters.
        but i was on the computer at the same time too.
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        99 Grand Am GT
        3400/3500 -Solid trans mount--TCE 65mm T-body---85mm LS2 maf---1 1/4' TCE intake spacers with 3400 upper--SLP Catback with flowmaster 80--TOG headers
        Modded 3400 lifters with LT1 springs---Comp Cams 26986 Springs
        1357 cam 227 233 .050 dur
        515 515 lift 112 lsa
        15.232@88.85mph on stock 3400---New time to come


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        • #5
          you need 3 things. a good hook. a flat bladed screw driver. and a vice/spring compressor. then you will work fairly fast.

          try doing 2 sets of lifters. they all look the same after a while. just make sure not to mix them up...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RedBird View Post
            after everything you've got done to this motor, you wanna cheap out now, instead of buying a set of LT/LS lifters to take parts from? you can geta used set of lifters on ebay for like 40 bucks :P i just missed a set, 87k miles, they sold for 35 shipped that also included the cam, pushrods, and guide, too.
            true. just lookin for some input i guess lol. im not worried about actually doing the spring swap. i guess ebay here i come?
            EDIT: got a set of 50k ls6 lifters on ebay for 30 shipped! niceeee
            Last edited by MidnightriderZ24; 03-30-2009, 06:47 PM.
            [SIGPIC]
            12.268@117... 11's to come!
            turbo 3400: 358whp and 365tq at 9 psi
            ASE Master Technician. GM Certified.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ibU1k8UZoo
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUqJyopd720

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            • #7
              here is a pic i just took for comparison:

              Past Builds;
              1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
              1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
              Current Project;
              1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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              • #8
                I wonder if this mod will work in 3.1 mpfi lifters?? ?
                Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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                • #9
                  Ive got a set of solid, roller lifters. Im starting to think that maybe Ill go with a set of modded hydraullic rollers at this point. I think I might end up selling my solid roller lifters now.
                  Took a break from working on the car. Got some better tools, got a better shop, got a better job... Its time to burn metal!

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                  • #10
                    Dave, in the picture, what are the larger springs for? They look like something out of a tranny.

                    Why are we doing this lifter spring conversion? Is it safe to assume it has something to do with high springs rates?
                    Andy

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                    fastest 1/8: 10.19@ 67.17
                    fastest 1/4: 16.16@ 82.70

                    62mm TB, 1.6 roller tip rockers, Ostrich 2.0, UD pulley, TB heater bypass, K&N, 180* stat, No cat, 99Grand AM dual cooling fans. 4T65E swap FDR 3.69, EP LSD, F.A.S.T. transmission controller, TransGo shift kit.

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                    • #11
                      the larger ones are the main plunger spring in the lifter, the smaller ones are for the check valve.

                      higher valve spring pressures and higher RPM's can cause lifter collapse, this is a good way to stop that. Also the stronger check valve spring prevents the lifter from fully pumping up till slightly higher RPM's than stock.. the lifter absorbes some of the cam lift and helps with idle quality.
                      Past Builds;
                      1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                      1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                      Current Project;
                      1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                      • #12
                        Sounds like homebrew Rhoads lifters made out of stock stuff, lol.

                        EDIT: I think I remember hearing Rhoads lifters have a good concept, but don't work very well, so at least the homebrew ones with LSx springs rocks for you guys
                        Last edited by pocket-rocket; 03-31-2009, 02:00 PM.
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                        92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
                        94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
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                        • #13
                          werd

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                          • #14
                            I noticed a difference in idle quality and idle vacuum.
                            Past Builds;
                            1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                            1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                            Current Project;
                            1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                            • #15
                              So if one is satisfied with his idle would it benefit to take the intake off to do the mod or a waste of time?

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