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  • 4T65E SNAFU, need guru help.

    Well, if you remember, I had a bad trans. I swapped out a new PAB coded trans, ran t for 2 mins, and watched it lock solid. Called junkyard, they were cool, got me another one. How convenient that the tag was damaged so bad you couldn't read if it was the right code, thus right gear ratio.

    I installed it anyway. Sure enough, Incorrect Gear Ratio code comes up. No problem I think, I'll just get her flashed. Dealer tells me, that part of the code can't be changed. Sounded like BS to me, but I'm not familiar with flashing so I let it go. I drove it home, fairly smooth, little hard on the shifts, but I give that to the gear ratio thing. I think to myself, I have the old trans still, I'll just swap the diffs. So I did. I kept track of what I pulled off, and re-installed exactly the same way back in.

    Here's what I noticed. Diffs, same height, have same number on their casting. Sun Gear different, different ratio, makes sense.

    So I pulled the trans to motor brace, popped the axle, removed the diff/housing cover, popped the diff off with a wedge between the spider gear cross shaft and the inner axle stub. swapped the sun gear, installed the sun gear thrush bearing in the diff with some grease to hold it there, slid on the diff, gave it a tap to pop over the c-clip, installed thrush bearing spacer on diff, installed thrush bearing, installed diff/housing cover.

    Rest computer with my scanner. topped off the car. took it for a drive.
    felt great, smooth, perfect buick like shifting...smooth. come to a stop and hear what sounds like popcorn. hmmmmm, what was that? Headed for home, no noise. I drive it around a few more blocks, no noise, no gear ratio code either. achieved speeds of 75MPH, downshift, hard acceleration, soft acceleration, all perfect. So I come home, park it, check fluid one more time, call uncle, "come get your buick."

    Uncle leaves with car, makes it 4 blocks. says he hears popcorn, and car is feeling like something is binding. I go down to him, get in, drop it in gear, foot off brake, she no roll. I figure, well, looks like the bone yard will owe me another one. So I nail it. She snap, crackle, pops, sounds like hard plastic being torn to shreds, car moves, sound goes away. feels like nothing is wrong. Come to stop, let roll, sound comes back but not as loud, I accelerate normally, it goes away. Come to stop a 3rd time, accelerate, car is smooth, no noise. It feels ok to me, but I'm not a tranny guy. I've built a few 350's and 400's, thats really it. Any clues? Did I screw something up? I made real sure to not pull those shafts out when I was working on it. Come to think of it the cover going back on felt...different. Like it was spring loaded the last 1/16 to 1/8" before contact with main case. noise sounded like it was coming from drivers side, something under the side cover that will make that sound?
    sigpicHow to make High performance Emissions:
    A "true" High flow converter, straight pipe.
    Low/No flow EGR valve, block off plate.
    Carbon canister and purge valve mod, place in large 30 Gallon can, cover, and place curbside, the city will do the rest.
    PCV valve and vent tube, reroute to exhaust to dump where it belongs, on the ground. Or add breathers and let it all free.

  • #2
    That is so strange.... it would be best to pop the hood and get a stethascope on that when it happends again... I am thinking the pump or something the torque converter...
    Lorenzo
    '11 DODGE Challenger R/ T Classic 57M6 Green with Envy "Giant Green Squid"
    '92 PONTIAC Grand Prix SE 34TDCM5 "Red Lobster"

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    • #3
      I was going to pull it apart tonight, check the diff I installed, but i got lazy, I went to work at 5am, I'm tired!

      But here's my theory, since I learned a thing or 2. The diff is shim'ed in just like a RWD diff. And since I didn't measure or account for a differance, I think the popping noise was a thrush bearing being torn apart. I'll find out tomorrow.

      My reasoning is the way i had to walk down the housing when i bolted it back on, and that today at work I found out that GM made these with several different thrush bearing shim spacer thicknesses. Ooops.
      sigpicHow to make High performance Emissions:
      A "true" High flow converter, straight pipe.
      Low/No flow EGR valve, block off plate.
      Carbon canister and purge valve mod, place in large 30 Gallon can, cover, and place curbside, the city will do the rest.
      PCV valve and vent tube, reroute to exhaust to dump where it belongs, on the ground. Or add breathers and let it all free.

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      • #4
        Yeah they might've, although I never had any issue swaping differentials before... Interesting
        Lorenzo
        '11 DODGE Challenger R/ T Classic 57M6 Green with Envy "Giant Green Squid"
        '92 PONTIAC Grand Prix SE 34TDCM5 "Red Lobster"

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        • #5
          I think I figured it out. IDK if the 4t65's are still prone to this like the 60's, but clogged coolant tube that moves fluid to lube and cool the diff? Sound right to you? It's the only thing I could think of.
          sigpicHow to make High performance Emissions:
          A "true" High flow converter, straight pipe.
          Low/No flow EGR valve, block off plate.
          Carbon canister and purge valve mod, place in large 30 Gallon can, cover, and place curbside, the city will do the rest.
          PCV valve and vent tube, reroute to exhaust to dump where it belongs, on the ground. Or add breathers and let it all free.

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          • #6
            Clogged? There s an issue with it dropping out, and a fix for it.
            sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
            1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
            16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
            Original L82 Longblock
            with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
            Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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            • #7
              maybe it dropped out. either way i'm out a tranny, and waiting to go get another one.
              sigpicHow to make High performance Emissions:
              A "true" High flow converter, straight pipe.
              Low/No flow EGR valve, block off plate.
              Carbon canister and purge valve mod, place in large 30 Gallon can, cover, and place curbside, the city will do the rest.
              PCV valve and vent tube, reroute to exhaust to dump where it belongs, on the ground. Or add breathers and let it all free.

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              • #8
                Dropping the pan you can see how it falls out. there is a fix for it on one of them trans sites 3400-modified posted in one of the 4t60-e threads. It falls down then you don't get oil to the diff.
                sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
                1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                Original L82 Longblock
                with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                • #9
                  i'm wondering if that retaining clip didn't pop out, and is bouncing around. there is a fix for the lube tube. it's no more than 10 bucks. i found out about that after i put the valve body and such back together, and had it running again.
                  Andy

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                  fastest 1/8: 10.19@ 67.17
                  fastest 1/4: 16.16@ 82.70

                  62mm TB, 1.6 roller tip rockers, Ostrich 2.0, UD pulley, TB heater bypass, K&N, 180* stat, No cat, 99Grand AM dual cooling fans. 4T65E swap FDR 3.69, EP LSD, F.A.S.T. transmission controller, TransGo shift kit.

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                  • #10
                    swapped out trans again, correct ratio this time, sold car, yaaaa! 1 less POS in my drive!
                    sigpicHow to make High performance Emissions:
                    A "true" High flow converter, straight pipe.
                    Low/No flow EGR valve, block off plate.
                    Carbon canister and purge valve mod, place in large 30 Gallon can, cover, and place curbside, the city will do the rest.
                    PCV valve and vent tube, reroute to exhaust to dump where it belongs, on the ground. Or add breathers and let it all free.

                    Comment

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