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I was amazed the last week when my wife wanted to go see a new ford focus <since we are looking at new cars now> that the new Tarus SHO could be so powerful. Their ads seem like there all about fuel economy but this thing begs to differ. Its nowhere near 20 in the city or 30 on the highway, but the sales guy was fast at saying this will give the new GTR a run for its money. Saying 0-60 times would put the vette to shame, and its handling is on par with a WRX. I told my wife lets go to VW and look at their new Jettas with the little TDI under the hood. Even though it was 10K more in price, I liked the fact that it gets damn near 50MPG on the highway. So why is ford producing these ultra high HP family sadans in the first place?? Are we back at the HP wars between automakers again?? Is this new "Ford" going to be able to compete when and if gas hits $4 plus a gallon?? Should GM start producing a limited production car that can compete agaisnt Fords new ECOBoost engines??
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CAFE standards in 2015(?) will kill these vehicles before they ever get a foothold in the public's hearts...
and i think your ford salesman was pushing it.... a lot.
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I didnt bother, I told the guy that our next car should be something that gets 30 plus running around town. We didnt sign on the VW yet, but my credit sucks is half the reason, but I have cash in hand, just debating if a new one is worth it, can get an 07 for 15K with 50K miles.......Comment
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that's probably the better option, the VW diesels is known to be a reliable DDs...
and the SHO is a porker, i seriously doubt it can match let alone exceed the performance of the cars listed... in addition to the shitty economy. bet it rides nice though...Comment
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the SHO is 365HP twin turbo V6... Eco boost they call it. i dont think its going to give the GTR much of a run for its money, im not sure what that car puts out. but with the AWD it should go like a bat out of hell. my boss's brother got the first one in Alberta canada, and god shit damn does that thing go. i got a ride in it, didnt get to drive it... but HOLY FRIGGIN CRAP!!! i wanna take it out so i can see how it feels for myself but he said my lumi isnt worth enough to make up for his SHO if i crash. but PLEASE!!!
hey i like it. Ford, chev dodge... as long as its not a Honda or Toyota.Comment
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even the older SHOs werent too bad (the 2nd gen ones) with something like 225 Stock HP from a high winding pain in the ass to work on DOHC V6.... sound familliar LQ1 guys?Comment
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They also had a 3.4l DOHC V8 which was a smoking little engine. almost a pain to work on.
Don't forget,that twin turbo 3.5 ecoboost SHO is also direct injected..Comment
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It doesn't impress me. Why?
4500 lbs. So 365hp isn't going to make it super fast. It's going to run in the 14's... Meh. Also means MPG is going to suffer.
365hp, from a turbo, Direct Injected, DOHC motor? It takes them all 3 to get 365hp? Throw a turbo on a 3400 which is not direct injected, and not DOHC and it makes about the same power.... That is not impressive for a DI DOHC motor... Think about the new Camaro DOHC DI motor for a more similar comparison. 305hp WITHOUT turbo... With 6psi (SEMA) it's at 450hp....
Yeah for being DI and DOHC AND boost that Ford motor doesn't look so hot when you compare it to other power plants...
The AWD is nice to have though...sigpic
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Apples to oranges. You can't compare an engine from the factory to a modified engine. Although not direct injected, and not as much displacement, but the 2.8L DOHC turbo from GM only puts out 280hp. DI might have pushed it up to 310hp. Its slightly more hp/L, but not much. And that is making an assumption on the power increase for DI (the 3.6L DOHC gets ~40hp from DI). I'm sure if they offered the same engine in the Mustang, it would be closer, if not over 400hp.Originally posted by IsaacHayes View Post-Brad-
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A stock 3400 with boost may not be what a production motor would be, as they would likely run a lower compression for safety, but with good tunes people are running them on pump gas... The 3400 is at a disadvantage with less valves and not being DI which allows you to run a lot more boost/compression on lower octane. The camaro motor is way up the in compression yet runs on 87 octane... The SEMA one is TT (just like the SHO), but did they do anything else to the motor for performance? Just seems like for DOHC and DI with boost it should be a lot higher........
The 3.5 ford motors without Boost or DI are 260hp. So DI and turbo only gained them 100hp. If you go by the 40hp increase from DI that the camaro motor gets, then the turbos are only giving it about 60hp more. That's pretty weak, and a lot of work (twin turbos) for just 60hp. I wonder why they are running twin turbos and not a single. Also I wonder how much boost they are putting to only get 60hp.... 3psi? LOLsigpic New 2010 project (click image)
1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
Original L82 Longblock with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.
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The following makes me wonder where they got the numbers for the SEMA car:
I still think you are comparing items that can't be compared. It has been proven that you can up the stock HP of any vehicle from the factory by just altering the PCM coding. And an aftermarket (even if custom) turbo setup will definately not be the same as a factory setup. Remember, the car has a warranty, so it is detuned so as to protect the manufacturer from having to do any warranty work on it. Bring this topic back up in a year and I bet you will find the exact same car, with aftermarket support, having 100hp+ than it does from the factory, with little done to it.Originally posted by Jimmyfloyd View Post-Brad-
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I rented a 2010 Hyundai Sonata, 2.4DOHC, not a screamer, but it averaged around
25MPG. Mostly city. It doesn't scream at WOT but it's snappy where it's needed. Drove
real nice too. I'm temped to get one as a city cruiser because it was real nice to drive.
But I'm sure once the Alero is finished, I'll like it x10 the Hyundai. I didn't care for the
electric throttle bodies though. You tap the gas, it takes a second for it to move and it
was unresponsive during random WOT. But I assume they do that intentionally.
It also seemed to pull harder at 1/2 pushes. All in all, nice ride.
I don't care for fords, but the older SHO's were fun to drive. A friend had one in high
school and I got to drive it a few times. Although the transmission sucked, it was a
snappy ride. A stock 97' GTP spanked it by 2 and a half cars in a road race though.Comment
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Still though, I wonder what the compression ratio and boost pressure is... I guess though if you look at the 3800 which doesn't flow much, with a supercharger, it only gains 40hp over the NA SII... I just expect a bigger jump for a DI DOHC motor with turbo...
I wonder why they are TT though too instead of single.. Figure that must be cramped with a transverse motor in there and 2 snails...sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
Original L82 Longblock with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.
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the engine room isnt bad, compared to a LQ1. and just test drive one. they are fuckin awesome!! (for a factory first year car, with no modifications.)
do you guys pay any attention to the cars over seas? Ford in australia used to use a L6 single turbo motor, i think its stats were about the same as the new SHO, but with about half as many moving parts -less shit to go bad? so anyhow. this new V6 came from here, to there and back here again after the aussies tuned it and got the turbos set up on it.
they replaced a race proven L6 for this motor... must be reliable i guess, and from what i hear the gas mileage isnt too bad on the SHO
check this out for a ford motor for all you skeptics (a good motor can have any badge on it maing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuMayMAoUbUComment
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GM, Ford and I think Chrysler offer some sweet rides over seas. Never been there but herd that way more than half of all the cars,trucks,suv's are diesel, and that most post way better MPG than alot of US cars. But while we here in the US grow corn for ethanal that hurts our fuel milage, GM, Ford and Chrysler cant seem to make a family sadan that can get 40MPG driving around town. I'm seriously looking for a new car to replace our 2000 Saturn LS2 that we only have to fill up once every 2 or 3 weeks since most of our driving is less than 20-30 miles a day.. Might have to look at imports on this one, but GM is still in my heart, gonna miss pontiac though......Comment
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