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  • Same damn problem...

    Well I just dumped $1200 into this piece of shit engine and all of a sudden it's missfiring AGAIN!!!!!!!!! Here's what I had done...

    Rebuilt and flowmatched injectors
    Thermostat/gasket
    Power Steering pump
    PCV valve
    Fuel regulator line
    Brake booster hose
    Power steering return line
    PCV hose
    Lower intake manifold gasket
    Valve cover gaskets
    GM Syncromesh fluid

    and a few other stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the motor.

    Now, I did the same thing I did before when it was missfiring before I got all this work done and I started the car and removed the plug wires while running to see which cylinder(s) were not firing, and the front middle wasn't firing and either the rear pass. side or middle wasn't firing either. Same fucking thing that happened before I dumped money into it. And I just went downstairs to start it and it's running fine again. What the fuck?!?! Could it be the coils or something? I'm getting sick of this crap...


    1992 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - black/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 171,xxx miles
    1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - blue/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 153,xxx miles (parts car)

  • #2
    You're misfiring on 1,3 & 4....What condition are the plug wires and the plugs in? Is there any moisture down inside the spark plug cavity or in the boots that can cause an arc situation?
    91 LQ1 GP GT

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    • #3
      Well I said the rear misfire is EITHER the pass. side cylinder or the middle cylinder. The plugs and wires are brand spanking new...less than 100 miles on them. All plugs and wires are AC Delco, so they aren't cheap crap.


      1992 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - black/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 171,xxx miles
      1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - blue/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 153,xxx miles (parts car)

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      • #4
        1 & 4 share a coil, so it very well could be a coil pack going bad. The are intermittent failures sometimes. I would replace that coil and see what it does. OR, swap 2 of the coils around and see if the misfire follows the coil.
        -Brad-
        89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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        • #5
          Your mad that you just spent money on the car and its "still missfiring" yet all the parts you replaced do not cure a miss fire... except maybe cleaining the injectors.

          I would have the ICM checked and Ohm the coil packs and I'm sure you'll find the issue then.

          Got Lope?
          3500 Build, Comp XFI Cam 218/230 .050 dur .570/.568 lift 113LSA
          Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
          Stage-1 Raybestos/Alto 4t60e-HD, EP LSD, 3.69FDR
          12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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          • #6
            Well at first we assumed that the misfire was caused by bad valve cover gaskets leading to the plugs being doused with oil, but apparently that was not the case. I just bought all 3 coil packs from Advance Auto Parts (was OE cheapies, not AC Delcos) for $25 per coil, so I said what the hell. They didn't have any AC's in stock anyways. So I'm going to search to see what the best way of getting to those coils are and replace them all. Then if it still does it, then I'm sure it's a bad ICM. I hope that isn't the case though...those damn things are expensive!


            1992 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - black/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 171,xxx miles
            1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - blue/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 153,xxx miles (parts car)

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            • #7
              Junkyard used ICM and coils. I wouldn't buy new parts just to test for a problem. ICM is easier to replace at the same time since the coils mount to it. Ebay has them cheap too. Any 2.8, 3.1, 3100, 3400, 3.4 DOHC set will work (all DIS FWD that is).
              Ben
              60DegreeV6.com
              WOT-Tech.com

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              • #8
                I might have a few spare ICM's if you want one. They the same as a 3x00 one?

                Got Lope?
                3500 Build, Comp XFI Cam 218/230 .050 dur .570/.568 lift 113LSA
                Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
                Stage-1 Raybestos/Alto 4t60e-HD, EP LSD, 3.69FDR
                12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                • #9
                  Yes, the same thing.
                  Ben
                  60DegreeV6.com
                  WOT-Tech.com

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, that would be cool! My brother is gonna come up tomorrow and take a look at it. If we get the coils in and it doesn't fix the problem, I'll let you know. Thanks bud!


                    1992 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - black/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 171,xxx miles
                    1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - blue/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 153,xxx miles (parts car)

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                    • #11
                      you could try swapping a few coils around and see if the miss follows the coil.... That is a free check. but make sure the coil you swap is good lol swaping 2 bad coils wouldnt tell you anything lol.
                      Shane "RedZMonte"
                      2004 Corvette Z06 Commemorative Edition -VIRGIN
                      1995 Monte Carlo Z34 14.38@101mph, 331hp/355tq
                      -Turbonetics T04E Super 60 Turbo, 2.5" Borla Catback, OBDII, 42.5# Injectors
                      2004 Subaru WRX STI -Lightly Modded (SOLD)
                      1994 Lumina Z34 -VIRGIN (SOLD)
                      1992 Lumina Z34-VIRGIN (RIP)
                      1992 L67 Lumina Z34 (SOLD)
                      1990 Turbo Grand Prix (SOLD)

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                      • #12
                        I'll find one in the AM, I think I know where one is... I hope lol

                        Got Lope?
                        3500 Build, Comp XFI Cam 218/230 .050 dur .570/.568 lift 113LSA
                        Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
                        Stage-1 Raybestos/Alto 4t60e-HD, EP LSD, 3.69FDR
                        12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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                        • #13
                          Well I bought 3 new coils, so I'm just gonna replace 'em all. If that doesn't work, that means it's most likely the ICM, in which the gentleman with the bitchin Beretta kindly notified me that he may have some laying around to sell one to me.


                          1992 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - black/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 171,xxx miles
                          1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - blue/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 153,xxx miles (parts car)

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                          • #14
                            I actually just went on Advance Auto Parts website and they have an ICM that is only $92 and it's a lifetime warranty, whereas the AC Delco is $250 and has a 1 year warranty. So if it's the ICM, I'm definitely going with the one at Advance! Thanks though for offering to sell one of yours.


                            1992 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - black/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 171,xxx miles
                            1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP - blue/charcoal, 3.4 DOHC, 5-speed, 153,xxx miles (parts car)

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                            • #15
                              If the Advance/AutoZone lifetime DIS modules are anything like the distributor type modules, you'll end up replacing the ICM at least twice as often. I've gone through 2 of them in the last 2 years, and I always make sure to clean everything really good and put heat sink grease (not that cheap crap you get in the box, the good stuff for PCs) on the bottom of the module to help with heat conduction. My AC/Delco lasted approximately 3 years, and that was put on when I found out that I couldn't set the time with the Wells module that was there when I bought the car.

                              Put AC/Delco on there... Your engine will like you better.

                              :edit: BTW, check eBay... There's usually some good prices for OEM on there.

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