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  • First Cam Timing Effort

    Hello All.

    I just sucessfully finished my first timing belt change. I had 53k on the last belt and wanted to get it changed before it let me down. The engine is in a 1992 Z-34, coupled to a 5-Speed. My desire was to utilize the +6/-6 setup so I decided to make some tools to get the job done.

    First off, I dont like the vague means of locating TDC provided by the factory. After turning up a TDC stop and using it with a 7" degree wheel, I found the factory mark to be around 2 degrees retarded.

    Second, I wanted fixed hold down tools with the correct angles machined in them. Fortunately, I have an extra engine so I was able to take some measurements and engineer the tools prior to teardown.

    With the tools I made, the timing process was easily done and it worked the first time. Boy, what a difference it made in drivability and performance! It isn't even the same engine. From the driver's seat, at idle, I can hardly tell that it's running. Power is greater and at a much broader rpm band. I must qualify that statement by saying that the engine never really ran right before. It was "rebuilt" when I purchased the car two years ago. The previously rough idle caused the manual transaxle to sound like a can of rocks. When I tore it down, I found pry marks on the cam carriers and the back side of the cam sprockets. The front exhaust cam was also retarded significantly. Necessarily, I don't think the "rebuilder" was able to remove the sprockets and get the cams timed right. I am indebted to a friend who loaned me his sprocket puller for the job.

    I removed all four (lock ring type) cam sprockets with the engine in the vehicle. I would like to assert that the engine can not be timed properly without removing all four lock rings and allowing the belt to seat under proper tension before setting the timing. It has been suggested that the rear sprocket can be left on to circumvent the clearance issues encountered when trying to get it off. While it sounds like it should work, there is a fallacy in this theory since the belt tensioner is located in between the rear exhaust cam sprocket and the intermediate shaft sprocket. With the rear exhaust sprocket left on and the rear cams locked in position, slack in the new belt can only be reconciled by allowing the intermediate shaft to rotate forward, retarding the rear exhaust cam timing.

    In all, it was a good experience, especially when I consider the money I saved doing it myself. Not to mention the strong possibility that a shop would have screwed it up anyway. I would like to thank this forum for all of the helpful information posted. I would especially like to thank Ben for his help / information. If any of you would like to see the tools I made, let me know and I will post some photos.

  • #2
    That would be sweet if you could post some pictures of the tools. Im going to be changing my timing belt soon and would like to change the timing at the same time.

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    • #3
      good shot. do not fear the beast, show it who the master is.
      The Official Rotating Mass Nazi

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      • #4
        Pictures Uploaded

        These are the tools that I made for my cam timing project. The ramps on the hold-down tools are machined to 3 degrees and are accurate to +/- 1 minute. I made the tools with removable timing blocks so that I could make different angles of ramps in the future. The compression stop is self explanitory as is the degree wheel. As I mentioned in my earlier post, using the degree wheel and compression stop, I found the cast-in timing pointer on my front cover to be 2 degrees retarded. This being said, I don't think that I will perform another timing job without using the stop and the wheel.

        As a side note, since performing the timing change, I keep getting a code 44 (O2 sensor lean condition) after driving for about 40 minutes. Any suggestions?
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        • #5
          Let me take a look at it. I can tell you what the O2 is doing.
          Ben
          60DegreeV6.com
          WOT-Tech.com

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          • #6
            OK. How does Sunday afternoon (4/1/07) sound?

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            • #7
              Should be good. I have some business to take care of on sunday anyway so I will be home.
              Ben
              60DegreeV6.com
              WOT-Tech.com

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              • #8
                Cool. I'll call first. I am planning on buying a chip from you so we can kill two birds with one stone if you like. I have no obligations other than being at my inlaws for supper at 6pm.

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                • #9
                  ok how did it go? what that code turn out to be?

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                  • #10
                    Had a low voltage O2, prob from the idle fueling being off and with the O2 not heated up, it was too screwed. Hope that one is taken care of. Other was the clutch switch, which I turned off in the code.
                    Ben
                    60DegreeV6.com
                    WOT-Tech.com

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                    • #11
                      Ben,
                      I wanted to let you know that my car has been running fine the past couple of days. I have driven around 220 miles or so and haven’t seen an SES light yet (fingers still crossed). It seems to have a little more power during acceleration and is smoother during cruise. Thanks for your help. - I'll look forward to more tweaking as I make additional changes.

                      Next month, I am going to start addressing the deteriorated exhaust system on my car. If all goes as planned, I will buy a bag of miscellaneous bends from Schoenfeld and fabricate a set of headers.

                      Could you please send your recommendation on primary tube size and maximum length? Originally, before I considered the 02 issues, I was thinking of 1.75" x 30.5". If I do this, they will be thermally coated and wrapped to facilitate maximum length possible without encountering O2 problems. Let me know what you think. (I will also convert to a heated O2 when I do this.)

                      I did some research and found that a drill (wire number) size "18" is .1695". MSC Industrial in Elkhart sells a Cleveland (USA) jobber length 135deg split point #18 bit for $3.44 each (part# 63785182). If your get one of these, we can center-drill your pushrods on my lathe.

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                      • #12
                        im not sure on the primaries as I haven't ran the simulation for the 3.4 DOHC yet. I can't really guess without that. I wouldn't wrap them though, just coated. Maybe heat shields if anything elese.

                        Im going to outsource for pushrods. Its a lot easier than messing with the comp cams stuff.
                        Ben
                        60DegreeV6.com
                        WOT-Tech.com

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