Broke My supercharger??????

[zofo61]

Vortech will supply the bearings you need just call thenm in California......I really hope you get this fixes so we can keep this thread alive and coax someone into fabing a prototype bracket for the drive side and eliminate the shaft....thats where all the stress is on the bearings...for sure

[john_V63400]

Yeah I agree with that. I really wish someone would make a prototype for us RSM guys. But Im buying a twin turbo set up soon. Forget SC Im going twin turbo with about 40 Psi of boost. Ive juststarted to work on my plans for it.

[IsaacHayes]

How are you going to fit twin turbos? 40 psi? that's gonna be new pistons, SBC rods, etc etc. Say good bye to your trans and motor at 40psi! lol

Vortech does have counterclockwise models. If someone made a braket to put it on the other side of the motor, and perhaps maybe Vortech would do a trade in credit for a counterclockwise unit... Then you'd be set. A pully directly on the SC isn't going to put much stress as a long rod would, think of a lever/pry par concept...

[zofo61]

I wish someone had the game in them to at least try a prototype mounting bracket.......I know your out there mr fabricator that loves a challenge to help your fellow 60degree friends.....come out come out where ever you are !!

[bszopi]

I might be able to design something and get it drawn up in CAD. Its been awhile since I did any stress calcs, but I still have all my old notes from Statics, so I could probably figure it out. I'd most likely do the design off of my car, but it "should" be pretty universal across the board, as long as some equipment is relocated (coolant tank for me, battery for others, etc).

I'll try to get some measurements and come up with something.

[IsaacHayes]

This could be the start of something really cool!!!! Would be super easy to bolt on boost!

[bszopi]

So I was looking for dimensions of the SC (which I have yet to find, btw) and I noticed the price... For the CCW version, and the same trim level, just the SC was $2100!!! That's just crazy...

[IsaacHayes]

OUCH!! Ok well we need to find another brand. lol. Rotex maybe?

[ProjectMM]

Last december at the LA Auto show I saw a super charger that was bolted right above the water pump, and they added a pully on the side of the water pump to run the super charger. I think that a setup like this would work for ous cars! as long as hood clerence wouldn't get in the way!

[onefastV6]

OUCH!! Ok well we need to find another brand. lol. Rotex maybe?

Sure if you have $1800 to throw at a supercharger, the Rotrex superchargers are not cheap.

If you want I can look into getting centrifugal superchargers from Al at www.wynjammer.com. I am sure we could get them for under $1000 a piece, and the dimentions are probably available upon request.


I have also tossed the idea of a S/C around for awhile (I actually bought one of the rare Magnuson S/C kits for the 3400, but sold it at twice the price that I paid for it)

I have talked to Marc (CNCguy) briefly about manufacturing a LIM to adapt a M90 from a 3800 as they are cheap and plentiful.

The problem that I see is that the power steering pump is in the way and a low profile (short runner legnth) LIM would have to me made to accept the 3800. I am not sure if the PS Pump could be relocated or not. I do know that they make universal add on PS kits for older engine so looking at the mounting for one of those kits might help.

It just sucks that there are no other options for a supercharger kit other than RSM.

[zofo61]

Thats why I went with RSM....no other option other than turbo and I already had a alot into the TOGS....I think the double waterpump pulley Idea is great. Thanks to all that have kept this thread alive !!... In my case I am in contact with Vortech to see if my V-9 can be converted to CCW, or if they can trade me up to one....if not I think I can recover at least 70% of mine by selling it on ebay. I dont think my morals will allow me to sell the complete RSM settup to another member of any group I am currently on, knowing the potential for failure.....not unless they knew completly the true flaws in the design and bought it anyway.
I have looked on ebay and so far have not seen any CCW chargers on there but I will look everyday..........never know

Chris

[mcgavinz26]

I've really wanted to do a centrif-charger on my car too. The guy I have to do all my personal machining could whip up a bracket pretty quick in spare time if I spent a few days at his house, thats not a big deal.

What is a big deal from what I could see on the beretta body was the spacing. This is just rough measurements and some scaling I did in the garage a couple times but this is what it looks like to me... feel free to tear these apart or add comments...

With the coolant tank relocated and different mounts, I'm pretty sure it would still hit the hood.

In place of the AC you would more than likely have to mount the radiator more forward while replumbing the main coolant lines.

Also, cost. Most of the shell superchargers cost a pretty penny compaired to my junkyard special M90. Spending lotS of money on my beretta violates everything I've stood for in the way of rigging thing to it... even though I have a degree and can afford it... its a way of life for the car. You can take the girl out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl.

[IsaacHayes]

Very good points made everyone. I do know that there is a 2nd gen J body with a rotex in place of the AC. So that one should fit. Looks like turbos are cheaper and fit better. I just like SC's though for some strange reason.

[zofo61]

I have seen the CSC mounted in place of A/C compressor...but for me thats not an option. I have a W Body and its fairly new being a 2002....need the A/C...I live in Fla and this isnt a track car. I can move the battery to the trunck and make a butt load of room to mount the CSC . Running a double pully off the Water pump or Power steering pump is always an option too.....here is the link with a CSC mounted in a Fiero.....yes a Fiero......if he figured it out I know we can her at this site....way too many smart people here just to let this possibility die

http://www.fierosound.com/34engine/3400details.htm

[onefastV6]

I called up wynjammer today and they want $1200 for a CSC head with 6lb pulley setup.

I would still like to see a Roots style S/C. I like the fact that they are low maintainance and reliable.

I agree zofo61 that if several guys put their skills together that something great could become of this.