Well more MSD bullshit failures

[geoffinbc]

Ok so my buddy got MSD to send him a new so called, updated, MSD DIS4 box after the last one failed. He sent it in for fixing but they could not fix it or the repair cost was worth more than the box. So he talked to the manager and even though it was out of warranty he got MSD to send him a new one. The manager admitted 1% failure rate on the DIS4

So now he gets the new box back and figures sure he'll give it another shot even after all the failures. Remember that he has had a coil pack fail only weeks after he bought it.

So as he's going through the car and removing the coil packs to do some work and this is what he finds.



The MSD coil pack adaptors melted at each terminal.

So hes had it. The MSD is gone along with the wires and its all back to stock.

MSD IS SHIT. This is not the only line of products I have seen fail. I have seen alot of problems with the MDS 6 series boxes too. Along with that our Pro Mag 44 in our funny car needs rebuilding when it comes new from MSD. But we never send it back to MSD for rebuilding. We send it to a guy in California whos soul business is rebuilding MSD Pro Mags. It is also ironic that MSD sends a bypass plug for the DIS4 like they expect it to fail.

Personally I'm a fan of the Crane Cams ignition products now.

[Guest]

LOL, I've seen more Crane fail than MSD.

I was talking to Lloyd last night, he didn't mention anything about removing it all. :-?

[donk_316]

Crane had to recall their first gen ignition boxes due to the amount of failures...

Think about how many MSD boxes are sold VS anyone else. Ofcourse there is going to be failures.

The melting looks like install error more than anything else. Did he use the gaskets? Superfancy grease?

I say all this with the EXACT SAME PARTS on my Fiero. The MSD DIS4 and coil interface blocks.

[geoffinbc]

Install error? I don't think so. You freaking bolt it in.

Look ONE person with MSD products has had every one of them fail. Seems to me like there is major quality issue.

My Crane ignition and coil has been running solid for 3 years. Plus the box has more features, higher output and it was at a lower cost. Alot of other on S-series.org are running the same box as me without problems. I could understand if Crane recalled them for problems. But at least the did recall them and replace them.

MSD should do the same.

[SappySE107]

are you sure its wired properly. Its not bolt in, its cut and splice the correct wires. I had this setup and it worked once I had the wiring all right.

Its possible he got unlucky on everything, and ive seen bad MSD coils too.

[geoffinbc]

Yes we wired it right. I have an extremly good grasp on electronics. Everything was soldered and covered in shrink tube and a very clean harness was made and plumbed to the MSD box. It ran great for a year till things started to fail.

The failure of the box was an internal problem. A capacitor or something burnt up according to the news Lloyd got. The coil pack that failed only lasted a few months. Now we have the problem with these coil interface blocks.

[v6h.o.]

I've never had an issue with my MSD DIS-4 or the Coil Interface modules of mine ever. I ran MSD 8.8 wires on the v6 for years, and also run the 8.8's on the Talon too. My old MSD wire set is now on the brothers z24 since I don't run them anymore.

I know a heap of people running the DIS modules, Never heard of any failures from them.

The bypass plug is to ensure that you have wired the module up properly. If it doesn't run it isn't wired right

[AaronGTR]

^Same here. No problem yet with my MSD box or my MSD coils or adapters. Sounds like a freak coincidence to me.

[geoffinbc]

Lloyd could possibly have the worst luck in the world when it comes to cars.

[HayesPerformance]

I have use MSD FOR MANY YEARS

WITH NO HARD FEELINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have sold and installed HUNDREDS on MSD products and I guess it has been my luck that I have NEVER ONCE had a problem with ANY of the products.

BUT,

One thing that you MUST do when installing those adapter blocks that you have there is USE DIELECTRIC GREASE ON CONECTORS AND INSTALL NEW RUBBER INSULATORS.
What happened there is something that I have ONLY seen when someone install without HONESTLY being aware of certain steps that MUST be taken when installing Items such as these.

We have TWO companys that make products of this nature that our company uses. One is MSD and the other is AEM

The AEM Coilpack with a ignition module that has a plug to plug in there CDI Module. If you can't find a place down there that sells them we do if your interested.

Regards,
David@
HAYES PERFORMANCE PLUS

[StudlyCamaro]

Re: I have use MSD FOR MANY YEARS

One thing that you MUST do when installing those adapter blocks that you have there is USE DIELECTRIC GREASE ON CONECTORS AND INSTALL NEW RUBBER INSULATORS.

pardon my ignorance, but what is that?

my DIS4 also failed last summer, and i never got around to trying to fix the problem (more concerned about finding a place to live at the time )

it worked great for 3 months, then just cut out one night, however i believe it might have been caused by the plugs (i was running AC delco rapid fire plugs, and apparently you arent supposed to use platinum plugs with the DIS4 (who knew(not me)))

[HayesPerformance]

It seals out ....

It seals out ALL moisture, condensation and stops any voltage spikes between the contacts.

IF you use that on the contacts and rubber weather proof seals you won't have that problem.

Last time I saw something happen like in the pics was because condensation "Joined" the terminals. It wasn't the products fault or for some its not theirs either, its just they were never told OR didn't know. Just a honest mistake.

Dave

[sharkey]

anytime i have seen an msd product fail is on a vehicle that had a questionable install. my buddy had a dis4 fail on him, however his install was kind of questionable and he got another one. ive heard of others running the dis4 without any issues whatsoever. i know of at least 10 guys in my area running dis2 on their 4 cyl cars without issues. a lot of issues are caused by running garbage (also see solid core wires)

i personaly have a 6al and a 2 step and love it, no problems. part of the reason i went msd is because of their good quality products. ive worked with all kinds on msd products and had good luck with them.

and as for the pro mag failing, its a race product, it wont last forever. as for it failing right outa the box, best thing to do would be to send it back to em, make em fix it. and the pro mag sure beats the hell outa the compatition, the mallory mag 6. they just dont have the juice, adjusting points and timing every run get very boring.

[StudlyCamaro]

where can i find these rubber insulators? i'd love to get the DIS4 back up and running on my car, when it was working it made a noticeable difference

[AaronGTR]

That's a good question. What kind of rubber insulators are they too? Do they go between the coils and the adapters, and if they are required for a proper installation then why aren't they included with the adapters? Thats the first time I've heard of them. I did use dielectric grease too on my adapters and coils, and I also used some rubber mounts with the DIS4 box to insulate it from vibration and to raise it from the mounting surface to allow air under it.