looking for loads of stuff for my 3100, HELP!

[El_Diablo]

donkey punch isnt down and they start at $1,600

http://donkeypunchperformance.com/

for a PCM reflash or powertuner from dhp you can go through germ on DPP

leaner is better up to a certain point because you will make more power but it will run hotter and eventually get to the point of detonation, proper tuning will always net you a few hp, i would suggest you get a power tuner and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for proper tuning

really the base turbo from DPP is one of the best bangs for your buck you'll ever see in our community

[onefastV6]

will the dhp tuner remove the speed limiter?

Yes the DHP will remove the speed limiter

[no_doz]

now im just curious, but do any of you know where i could find instructions on how to tune various aspects of the way my vehicle runs with a dhp tuner, because i currently do not understand what i would change to get what kind of reaction out of my engine (such as for it to up the amount of fuel, timing, speed limiter, etc...). within the next 6 months im going to be going to Northwestern University to learn as much as humanly possible about cars (ill be taking general automotive & high performance so hopefully i will get most of what i need to know to get a job somewhere in the automotive industry & to eventually start my own shop).

thanks guys,
Jon

[Syn]

now im just curious, but do any of you know where i could find instructions on how to tune various aspects of the way my vehicle runs with a dhp tuner, because i currently do not understand what i would change to get what kind of reaction out of my engine (such as for it to up the amount of fuel, timing, speed limiter, etc...). within the next 6 months im going to be going to Northwestern University to learn as much as humanly possible about cars (ill be taking general automotive & high performance so hopefully i will get most of what i need to know to get a job somewhere in the automotive industry & to eventually start my own shop).

thanks guys,
Jon

would that be the university of northwestern ohio?

[no_doz]

sure would. went up, checked it out & really liked it, it suites me.

[AaronGTR]

Uh, DHP won't be able to help him guys. They don't support '96 lumina's. Beside's if it's a '96 wouldn't it still be OBD1? Anyway on their website it says they only do custom tuning for 3100/3400/3800/LS1 1997+.



I think you really need to do some research into what these parts are going to cost you. You say you don't want to turbo 'cause it's too much money and you don't want to spend thousands, but how much do you think it's really going to cost for all those other parts? No one makes headers for your specific car so you're looking at either getting S&S and having them modified, or going completely custom. Then either a cam from milzy or a custom regrind, swapping 3400 heads/intakes and a bigger TB, making a custom intake and exhaust. Then there's the cost of the engine work and custom pistons, which if you're doing that there's no point in tearing the internals apart without touching the connecting rods or crank. How much you think you're going to spend for all that? And you could leave most of it stock and get a turbo and get more power. Whatever you do, bottom line is speed costs money.

[no_doz]

i know, but what im looking at doing is not necessarily all of those things at the same time, i dont have the money to drop 3k all in one piece. also considering i havent found a cam for it or a source/price for the pistons the only mods i currently have planned are:

hood scoop & custom ram air intake setup (im gonna cut a hole in the hood big enough for the intake tube to go through & stick out the to pof the hood & catch air straight on, then basically just put a hood scoop over it). a DHP tuner, possibly 21 lb/hr+ injectors if they are going to help the power, & if i can, headers (that is if i can find any).

air intake setup-$100 (ive checked around & so far this is what its gonna cost me)

DHP Tuner- ? dunno yet, hopefully not more than $350.

injectors- $150

straight through exhaust with o2 simulator & a straight through japper muffler on the end- $100

& maybe headers in the future if i can find any, or i may fab some up myself.

so for now all i have planned for sure is $750 or less worth of stuff (no where near $3k).

i was just asking about all of that other stuff to check on how easily i can get those things, & currently i have -not- found any cams, headers, or pistons for it without having them custom made, which is big money. also i was going to do all of the work myself with the help of a couple of my local automechanic buddies that have shops in town, (everything but boring the cylinders out, which id have to have another friend of mine do & it would cost less than $100).

[AaronGTR]

Billet cam right here. http://www.milzymotorsports.com/ About $400... or if you prefer you can get a regrind like some people mentioned, but I don't trust regrinds (just personal opinion).


Powrtuner is $399... but like I already said you probably can't use it. It's for OBD2 flash pcm's only. Anything OBD1 or 1.5 won't work. If your car is OBD2, they still don't support your platform. You'd have to email them a find out if you bought one whether they'd be able to unlock your program and send you a file you can modify (you'd have to do a read and email your stock bin file to them first). Not trying to discourage you or anything... just wanna make sure you know whats involved.

[no_doz]

dhp already said they had a tuner that will work for my car, i emailed them yesterday.

also would the 3.4 headers work on my car?

[AaronGTR]

Maybe. It would be a try it and find out deal. They should fit on the heads no problem (exhaust ports/studs in the same place), and the front pipe and crossover would probably fit fine. The question is if the rear pipe will hit anything. They were designed for a different chassis car, so there could be interference with the firewall, steering rack, or who knows what. Might be easier to modify them than make from scratch though. You're kinda on your own in that dept, but good luck.


edit: Almost forgot... if you can get a powrtuner then, don't bother with the O2 sensor simulator. You can just turn it off in the pcm with the tuner. Won't get any SES lights or codes or anything.

[El_Diablo]

what did i tell you? grrrr, check out dpp, its $1,600 for a base turbo and you'll get more power without having to tear into the engine (a cam requires you to pull the whole engine)

[no_doz]

haha, 1600 at one time is still too much, man. also if i did do a cam it would be later on, but i am looking into supercharging the beast.

[El_Diablo]

FYI that will prolly be more than 1600 and you'll have less control over the performance

oh, and germ has worked out thing in the past with his customers

[no_doz]

after looking it up, itll be about half of that, even though the gains will be about half that of getting a decent turbo kit. also, who's germ & what has he worked out in the past?

[El_Diablo]

well the way your talking about doing stuff it will be more


germ is the owner of donkey punch performance, in the past i have heard of him working out payment options for customers, he isnt doing this to get rich

might wanna join the forum on his site ( www.donkeypunchperformance.com/forum ) or just look around



know your looking towards an m90 so you might wanna look at this page: http://www.fierox.com/turboproject.htm

thats just to give you a few numbers to look at