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  • #61
    RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: I had a great idea....

    ok your coolant temp rose from 180-210, what thermostat do you have in it??? when does your fan come on??? what mix of antifreeze/water do you have???

    an electric water pump is fine for extended beatings. they flow turn fast enough to flow enough water through the motor to sufficiently cool the motor.

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    • #62
      RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: I had a great idea....

      Yeah, I'm using a bad example here... I've been autocrossing an LT1 vette recently, stock thermostat and fan turn on, they like to run hot
      Only objection I have to adapting the moroso water pump thing to my car (I'm making custom brackets anyway) is it's short rated service life
      Last course I ran was a pretty fast course, I'd say I spent maybe a fifth of my time over 75% throttle.

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      • #63
        RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: I had a great idea....

        The exhaust manifold is my heat source which is FREE energy. Up to 1200 degrees of free energy. The monotube design boiler would in fact be heated to operating temperature quickly by the battery, this would help the engine get into closed loop faster. This is very possible. Cogeneration has been around for many years.

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        • #64
          If you go to http://www.killerbv6.com and click on conversions, they offer an electric water pump kit for the 3x00 engine.

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          • #65
            Wow thoes guys love the GM 660. They have the most parts I have ever seen.
            1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
            1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
            Because... I am, CANADIAN

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            • #66
              about steam stuff. you know why it isnt in cars anymore? ever see a boiler explode? of course you haven't, you're still alive. even a boiler the size of a 1L bottle could be pretty nasty if it went up, like a bomb. i saw a thing on history channel about trains, a boiler blew up and sent massive peices weighing tons nearly a half mile. all it would take is a simple valve to fail and then you'd need a new engine.
              If you aren't friends with a liar, you aren't friends with anyone.

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              • #67
                Yea man. Keep in mind steam engines didn't even run as hot as a modern boiler.

                New steam systems are super heated and under extreme pressure. It is very dangerous.
                1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                Because... I am, CANADIAN

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                • #68
                  I know all about superheated steam turbines... I superheated the steam in a previous career.
                  -Brad-
                  89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
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                  • #69
                    I am starting to get into it, subscribed to nuts and volts. I favor mechanical engineering. One thing I do know is that electric motors make lots of torque and very low rpm.
                    *NOTE* Electric motors make full torque at 0 rpm

                    3)Run a turbo at full boost at idle.
                    Uhm..... I was pretty sure that's BAD. In addition to having the same effectiveness as spraying a shot of nitrous at idle. If you properly tune and match a turbocharger for your engine you can either have very little or NO turbo lag. So this steam power to push your turbo, is a waste of time and effort.

                    In addition put this fact together. GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, and every other auto manufacturer in the world has engineers that make way more money than we do. And if they could SAFELY and EFFECTIVELY make this technology, i'm sure they would have. Remember that manufacturers are under government mandates requiring them to make cars with good gas mileage. And everyone wants their product to outlive and perform better than a competetors product. So why waste time trying to make a new technology that's probably already been tried, tested, and failed when you could just use what we already know works?
                    97 Cavalier RS
                    3400, Isuzu MK7

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                    • #70
                      Sorry for the very late response....

                      Modern flash boilers work at very high temperatures, but very little of the water is actaully converted to steam. There a layers of heat in a monotube type boiler. If they blow they do not have a disastrous effect like ancient boiler systems. Those problems have been solved for the last 75 years. Car makers are stuck on IC engines, but they can be good heat generators for a External combustion engine, like steam. The only reason why we don't use steam is because of very poor management and foresight of Doble, one of the leaders of steam technology. Modern steam engines can start within a few seconds. Putting an .5 liter cogenerating IC/EC engine could produce enough torque to run a small economy car and could go futher than this to make it a hybrid with plug-in technology. The engine gets 100? mpg with the hybrid motor, but the first 30-50 miles or so the car can be battery operated like an electric car. That would mean if you lived within that distance to work it could be concievable to only use gas on the weekends or doing errands. I think this could be a technology that is viable and could make cars extremely fuel efficient by not wasting heat into the radiator. In fact the radiator could be routed into the boiler with an electric heater unit to bring the IC engine up to operating temperature much faster reducing pollution and an over-rich condition on start-up. You could go one step further and use solar cells on the hood, roof and deck lid. This could extend the range of the car on sunny days like we have here. Car companies spend millions on keeping the status quo and that's about it.

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