???Aluminum Block???

[SappySE107]

That block looks awesome brand new. Sure, its not for everyone, but then again, not everyone can go all out. Not the "sorta all out" but really spending insane amounts of cash on a 60V6. Seriously, how many people do you know on here or anywhere else that is trying something like this. Id like to see how this aluminum block takes a lot of boost since I don't know of anyone that has tried.

No more flames, and shaun, what is your problem. Drop the attitude, this isn't the wanna be pennocks site you are on.

[geoffinbc]

2 things make that block VERY impressive and desirable.

1. Its all aluminum
2. It is COMPLETLEY universal.

[eliteweapons]

This block should work for a gen II swap but for the gen III it takes a good bit of mods. Oil pan, Timing cover-motor mount bolt holes(wrong size too small), A/c mount had to weld aluminum to the block and thread it. I am still looking at some other things that might be an issue but will keep ya posted.

[Guest]

use an oil pan from a 88 or newer gen 2. You can then use yoru gen 3 timing cover and it will bolt to the block.

[bszopi]

Thread trimmed for content... So lets all try to be civil now.

[AaronGTR]

You know what this site needs... an ignore option like they have over on gagt.com.

Editted because I figured you'd understand I didn't want to hear any more bittering when I deleted all the useless posts.

[AaronGTR]

Edit my stuff all you want, but do me a favor and tell that retard to stop Pm'ing me since I can't stop it myself. I'm really getting sick of this!

[TurboGTU]

As far as I know..anything after 84(small mains) and pre 94 fits. I thought I read somewhere the bowtie can be stroked and bored to a 4liter. I think the advantage with the bowtie is the mains/block. Regular production blocks shift thiers at over 350hp..so im told. GM shot themselfs on the foot with the 3*00. And on the head with the newer 3*00s seriers. Too bad the bowtie doesn't look like it can be made into a TDC. IF it were..more people would be all over it.

[bszopi]

GM shot themselfs on the foot with the 3*00. And on the head with the newer 3*00s seriers.

So lemme get this straight... You think the old 3.1MPFI is a better design than the 3100, 3400 and even the 3500 and 3900? I'd really like to hear your reasoning on this one!

[TurboGTU]

TurboGTU wrote:
GM shot themselfs on the foot with the 3*00. And on the head with the newer 3*00s seriers.


So lemme get this straight... You think the old 3.1MPFI is a better design than the 3100, 3400 and even the 3500 and 3900? I'd really like to hear your reasoning on this one!

Ok..I dunno where I said the old MPFI was better there. I was refering to the bowtie taking a back seat to the newer blocks. Lemme tell ya this way.. When the bow tie was around in its glory days..there was no 3.4, Roller cam(stock), 3500. If you wanted more than 3.1 reliable litters...you'd have to go bowtie.. ANd if you got a RWD 3.4..it would not just bolt up to the FWD setup. When the 3100 and 3400 came out..they had better webbing on the block..so that helped even more on the block itself and on the mains. The oil pan helped some too. Ofcouse the roller valve train setup too was nice to have. Then with the newer 3*00 from the Aztec and newer model cars...its over. Larger mains, better oil system, bore..the works.

And in thinking the MPFI is better...YEa right. I think the people who desighend the intake manafold and exhaust ports weren't even thinking of mods.. 170+cfm on the heads intake VS 115- on exhaust... . Intakes that flow better on the front three cylinders due to TB clock position..yea ..its high tech. I had to do some intake mods to help it a bit...and hog the crap out of the exhaust ports. All for the sake of having the "TURBO" intake manafold. First thing GM did on its prototypes/concept cars (INDY, Twin turbo beretta) was scrap the intake, dig out the exhaust ports. Even the old 3100 is a god send in comparison.

Good thing Im using the 94 3.1 block..it has its webbing like a 3100. The TGP 3.1 block lacks this..but makes up for it with higher nickle content.

[p8ntman442]

40 lbs, no casting numbers, no idea, but its going in. aluminum sleeves as part of the casting.

[p8ntman442]

more photos here

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/p8ntman442/album?.dir=/fd0c&.src=ph

[TurboGTU]

Is that the prototype bowtie that was on ebay?

[Doubt_Incarnate]

iron sleeves, not aluminum, can you imagine the speed with wich aluminum sleaves would wear out? the rings are iron or chrome moly, steel, whtever you pick, but stil much harder than aluminum. they would eat that up in no time.

[p8ntman442]

nope the engine did not come from ebay. It came from a guys garage where it sat for 6 years in plastic after a fresh rebuild after it came off the dyno at a gm facility in massachusettes somewhere dedham or nedham not sure. The heads have property of rm company STAMPED not cast into them. no casting numbers on the heads but they do feature the smaller valves. The engine is said to have produced 225 hp at 2500 rpm on a turbo setup and double that figure at 5000 rpm.

I meant what I said, aluminum sleves. Cow magnets dont lie, that and they are part of the casting and have flaws in the sleeve walls where there were air bubbles in the aluminum.

i have pictures of this block on a scale weighing in at 40 lbs. the bowtie block weighs 59 lbs and has steel sleeves and a closed deck.

this block also has REMOVABLE LIFTER BORES, a one piece cast unit fed by a steel tube from the oil galley below.