Racing engine Inquiry

[jamiehjr]

Hey!

I am new to the 60 degree V6 arena. I would like to find out information about racing applications. Who builds the engines that use the huge solid roller cams from Schneider?

Are there links about racing heads, intake manifolds, and buildups using the aluminum Bow Tie block?

Thanks!
Jamie

[geoffinbc]

Bowtie blocks are best used with Gen III heads and intakes found on all Late model cars. Roller cams can be ground by anyone willing to do it. If you are racing you will most likely be using a stand alone management system. This would work beautifuly with modern Gen III fuel systems to provide unlimited potential.

Some guys here have turbos. A limited few have superchargers. Alot of old Gen I and II engines have been swaped in favour of Gen III engines.

[614streets]

The crazy stuff died out years ago , the 60 v6 stole the show in Midget racing and used to be a Mcpherson program for Bush off road truck racing series. You can still buy bow ties, you can still order titanium rods , billet cranks , shaft rockers (jesel) , dry sumps, ridgeway stud girdles , blower and turbos , roller cams etc the list is endless with cold hard cash. Any way you slice it the 2.8 gen 1 can be modified just like a old school sbc as can the newer gen 2 and 3 motors. Most of the history of the v6 60 race motors is not known history , Ive seen/read about 60 v6 single turbo rail dragsters with 9 second et(super comp), to a full tubbed camaro with a race nitrous system , baja trucks , dune rails , midgets. Its not an engine covered by any magizines. The underpowered crank breaking v6 is know by most enthuisiasts as just that , but thoose of us that have built up the 15"x15"x15" block , perhaps even lifted it into the engine bay by hand like I did, there is a following because we are hot rodders.

You can look at a fraction of my chronic'es (sp) http://614streets.com/2.8.html but its just a street motor. Im not scared to throw 100 hp of nitrous with 8 lbs of boost into it and like I said its a street motor , no hi dollor parts.

Most of the v6 race parts are gone from concern the engine roots from over 20 years ago.

Heres a lil history the s10 guys can jog with.



2003 pics

[614streets]

[oil pan 4]

No bed and bumper that could be a lot of fun.
Get the chevy power manual that will tell you different ways you can set up your moter.
Because there are aluminum heads doesn't mean you will all ways want them for your car.
There stock castings and not any thing like aftermarket SBC Al heads.
If you are going to make an all moter car you could use them no problem, If you were going to drive it daily and put on a power adder and want it to last you will want cast iron heads.
The bow tie blocks are great blocks, there better than the stock ones.

[geoffinbc]

There is no reason to not use aluminum heads for longevity and drivability. Even boosted and nitrous applications.

The only draw back is that you must use a port injection system and you cannot use a distributor. But with some sourcing of junkyard parts it can be done for cheep

[fierose87]

anyone know if they still make that gear drive that is in the pictures above. i just love the way those things sound.

[Guest]

anyone know if they still make that gear drive that is in the pictures above. i just love the way those things sound.

That gear drive in the above picture was for a V8.

Also the whole idea that aluminum head on a power adder combination being unreliable is complete bull shit, 20000 Kms on my boosted hybrid should attest to that, oh and I don't have a light foot either.

[dbtk2]

TGP's had turbo's and aluminum heads from the factory, and I know of some TGP's with well over 200k on them that are still running strong with no problems. I ran up to 13psi (fuel cut) on my stock 3.1 turbo engine without tearing into it at all with no problems, and I beat the shit out of it. Of course, mine only had 78k on it when I tore it apart, but still, no problems, just wanted more power. My dads TGP has close to 130k on it, it is running 12psi boost, and we've never had any problems related to it having aluminum heads and boost. Thats all a load of BS.

You can run Aluminum heads with a power adder and still have a very reliable engine.

Shawn

[geoffinbc]

Who else thinks this thread was made by a one post wonder?

[StudlyCamaro]

There is no reason to not use aluminum heads for longevity and drivability. Even boosted and nitrous applications.

Also the whole idea that aluminum head on a power adder combination being unreliable is complete bull shit, 20000 Kms on my boosted hybrid should attest to that, oh and I don't have a light foot either.

You can run Aluminum heads with a power adder and still have a very reliable engine

thank you gentlemen, i was flammed rather harshly on camaroV6.com for sharing your views, its nice to have support

[Guest]

There is no reason to not use aluminum heads for longevity and drivability. Even boosted and nitrous applications.

Also the whole idea that aluminum head on a power adder combination being unreliable is complete bull shit, 20000 Kms on my boosted hybrid should attest to that, oh and I don't have a light foot either.

You can run Aluminum heads with a power adder and still have a very reliable engine

thank you gentlemen, i was flammed rather harshly on camaroV6.com for sharing your views, its nice to have support

No problem we got yer back.

Maybe show them pics of my engine as proff. Don't you also have a boosted hybrid, or at least a hybrid?

[geoffinbc]

Maybe they were just scared to actually take on the task of the swap. So they bashed instead of trying it. Had to make reasons for not doing it.

I myself would like aluminum heads. But I am gonna make the power with a supercharger instead. If the blower I am getting would bolt to aluminum heads I would gladly do it.

[StudlyCamaro]

i only have about 70% of a hybrid as of right now

the camaro is my daily driver, so i dont have the ability to have it down for longer than a weekend at a time (not to mention im working and a full time student for another semester), but once i graduate and find another daily driver i can get crackin on my hybrid a lot more (and no probably wont boost this motor, the pistons i have will make around 10:1 compression so im planning on a large direct port shot of crack)

however i cant find anyone that will tune my computer so it might be a while before it ever gets running... stand alone engine management systems arent too cheap

better than you : i would agree that it is quire a large taks for 3x00 top end, but both of the guys that were bashing the Al heads either have or are planning on building their motors from the block up (one turbo car, one on crack)