Fastest N/A V6jbody, 13.9's

[614streets]

There is a guy over at third gen running decent times with a n/a iron head camaro. 3.1 with 2.8 pistons (shaved). He lives in florida if he gets a stand alone and headers ......

[Z2_4cams]

catch up, NEXT year? pfft :P

[Anonymous]

If Colin can learn to launch it even more, it should be able to hit low 1.8's, high 1.7's, especially with how light it is.

*rant*

I hate it when you say this crap.

Has it ever occured to you that after owning, driving daily, racing often, etc a car that one knows how to drive his car to the max?

I have run my car over 40 times at a track, and NEVER gotten below a 2.34. But every time I post a new time, you say Aaron your car is capable of 2.1s. wtf? I know how to race my car. The last time I fucked up a launch bad enough to influence the winner of a race was almost a year ago. The last time I missed a shift was over a year ago.. I know how my car responds to my every move, and I know how to race it to the absolute max. Teh car simply doesn't have the power and grip to pull faster than a 2.3. WITH ANY DRIVER. And I'm certain that mo one can get my car down the track faster than me, unless they weigh a lot less.

I am going to assume COlin is in the same boat considering he ahs had his car for long enough, and judging form a new slip every month, knows how to race it.

*end rant*

And remember you're comparing an automatic supercharged 90* motor, with .7L of displacement, to a 5-speed 3.1.

[v6h.o.]

a 1.9 60 ft on a fwd car is friggin sick

A 1.9 60' on a FWD is pretty good, thats for sure. However, I think that car has even more left in it. If Colin can learn to launch it even more, it should be able to hit low 1.8's, high 1.7's, especially with how light it is. My dads GTP has pulled mid 1.7's on slicks on numerous occasions with a race weight of around 3700lbs, but it didn't do that when he first started racing it...he has just learned how to drive it better since. Don't get me wrong, a 1.9 60' is great on a FWD car, I just think that Colin's car has the potential to go even further, especially with that LSD. Afterall, I pulled a few 2.0 60's on street tires in my car when it was stock, and thats with an open differential, and obviously a significantly heavier car.

Shawn

well moreso if Colin starts to spend more money on the car and actually replaces all the stock front/rear suspension parts. the stock AC delco struts in the front and stock springs front and rear dont help launching either...

you have to understand, tracks up here where i live dont "prep" the track very well at all.... they lightly just apply a small amount of VHT to the track (cheap bastids) only at the lights... where as good tracks in the US spray the entire track, do amazing prep to them and make sure they can hook. here its a different story...

my air pressure in the slicks were about 10-12psi or so.. and i still get wheel spin off the line with the slicks, at the lights the engine is rev'd up to 5500-6000 rpm and clutch is dropped off the line.
the problem is that its a lightweight car. there isnt alot of weight in the front which lets it get loose and is harder to launch. the Main problem however is with this 5spdFirst gear is a very high 3.50:1 ratio and with the 3.94:1 final drive ratio and street tyres.... well, thats a combo designed only for spinage... very very tricky to launch with those gears.

with street tyres. the best 60 foot i have ever managed to pull over the last 3years or so of drag racing the car is a 2.1 second. many different launch techniques have been tried tested and i just have to stick to my typical rev to 1500 at the lights, and work the clutch/fuel to get it off the line nicely with minimal wheel spin up untill the engine is at about 4000-4500 rpm to which its just mashed to the boards the rest of the way...

As always, you have my congratulations and respect.
Good job man!

Franz, you know i hold you in much more high respect. for the guy who was the first to break the 14 second barrier in these cars many moons ago, to which was unheard of back then!!.. Thank you buddy!!!

[Berettaspeed]

I think 2.1s on street tires is really pushing it. that alone i would say someone has their car down pat. i was surprised to hit 2.153 on my street tires and i had 40psi in them. before i had a hard time getting to 2.2s. i just tried different launches. other wise i was very low 2.3s

i feel you on that first gear. LOL i hate how short it is. i think my 1st and 2nd gear is where i mess upthe most but i can't really tell.and my fisris longer than yours. i think mine is like 3.62 final drive. or something like that.
I still can't stop thinking about ........ 13.99 oooooooo ahhhhhhhh

I don't have any real engine mods at all basicly stock but i was wonder how your TB help out. Can you feel a difference or just alittle. i had one on my 2.8 and i could only tell alittle bit top end but that was it. not much difference. and i really need a 2.5" full exhaust. this 2" is killing me.

[dbtk2]

If Colin can learn to launch it even more, it should be able to hit low 1.8's, high 1.7's, especially with how light it is.

*rant*

I hate it when you say this crap.

Has it ever occured to you that after owning, driving daily, racing often, etc a car that one knows how to drive his car to the max?

I have run my car over 40 times at a track, and NEVER gotten below a 2.34. But every time I post a new time, you say Aaron your car is capable of 2.1s. wtf? I know how to race my car. The last time I fucked up a launch bad enough to influence the winner of a race was almost a year ago. The last time I missed a shift was over a year ago.. I know how my car responds to my every move, and I know how to race it to the absolute max. Teh car simply doesn't have the power and grip to pull faster than a 2.3. WITH ANY DRIVER. And I'm certain that mo one can get my car down the track faster than me, unless they weigh a lot less.

I am going to assume COlin is in the same boat considering he ahs had his car for long enough, and judging form a new slip every month, knows how to race it.

*end rant*

And remember you're comparing an automatic supercharged 90* motor, with .7L of displacement, to a 5-speed 3.1.

I'm not going to say a lot here, because I don't want to litter this topic with crap, but I just need you to hear me out on this one. You say that you assume that colin knows how to drive its car "to its fullest ability," due to his new timeslips every month. However, do I have to point out that almost every time (if not every time) that he runs it his 60' time is better than the previous time. Its probably not luck, he has learned what needs to be done to improve the 60'. And, although I'm not sure, I would bet that if you ask Colin, he would tell you that he has more room for improvement in the launch department.

About your car, I'm sure you can launch your car very well, afterall you have been driving it regularly for a long time. However it has the same basic suspension as my car. The tires should be about the same size/width, and the tires I ran my 2.0 60's on when it was stock were not high quality tires, not to mention they were bald. Now yes the tranny and engine have a little to do with it, but you can't tell me that your car can't do at least a 2.1 60' if it is a "14 flat" car like you say it is. With the right combination of gas and letting the clutch out, there is no reason that with some practice it shouldn't launch as good as mine did.

The launch is one of the most important parts of drag racing, which is why I always bring it up. Not to mention the fact that a little difference in the 60' can be a big difference at the end of the 1/4.

Shawn

[bszopi]

Hey Shawn, you obviously missed Colin's response to your remarks... its just a few posts up from here. He basically mentioned that he knows how to launch, but its the suspension that is currently limiting it.

[Anonymous]

I HAVN"T RUN A FLAT 14 TIME. If and when i do run a flat 14, or even sub 14, I'm possitive my 60' will be better than 2.3. But as of right now, the car hasn't done better.

Even when i ran it at the track recently, it still ran 2.3s. Sure at sea level this would have been ~2.1, but the car can't pull a 2.1 as it is right now, at some 6,000ft. I drove that car to its absolute max, and there is no one who could have done it better.

Now I'm gonna assume here that Colin's car and mine are about equal in terms of 1/4mi times, and that our gear ratios are about equal(282 vs 284). The first gear in the 3.4 goes by fast no doubt, but I still think that the gears in my car are just about perfect. In fact 1-2-3 couldn't be better. And first is still a great gear in its current state, and I never mess it up. But of ocurse I am running higher rpm and there are many differences in our cars.

[v6h.o.]

more so track prep is the killer.. but we wont get into that... i cant stand the local track. its piss poor...(we dont even have score board lights to know what anyone ran...) but hey its a track. so you cant complain all too much. hence why we went out to Saskatoon for their track day.

if i took the car down to a track in the US where they know how to prep a track. i could easilly see dropping a good tenth or two off my 60 foot. its just that much different.

[XLR8ING]

I second that.
I've pulled a few 2.0 60' times on street tires. But it only happens in the right conditions. Sunny, but not too warm day, good amount of VHT on the track, the right tire and suspension mods, and just the right launch technique for the individual car.

[Superdave]

that's funny.... they never made me wear a helmet when i was running low 13's high 12's in the T/A



Congrats.. again man. i can only dream of my Z being that fast. lol my last run this year was a 17.1 in a '91Z 5speed with a bad clutch



-Dave

[robby1870]

nice avatar man, Da SHOCKER, LOLOLOL

[smilinguy99]

Re: Fastest N/A V6jbody, 13.9's

I'm very stoked to be the first N/A 60degreev6 Jbody in the 13's... now i can park the car for a while and figure out what i want to do with it.
not sure if i should finish building this other engine i have, or just let it sit for a few years and in the meantime buy something new, at least i accomplished my goal for the car, now i can sit back and let it sit for a while..

First, congratulations! Well, done.

This may not seem related to this thread, but I was watching the SpaceShipOne launch and safe recovery today. They won the X-prize. In all the time filler talk that surrounds one of these broadcasts, one idea kept coming up, "What now?"

Well, for the time being, the goal for the X-Prize committee is to sponsor large scale demonstrations of various teams reaching space and returning to earth.

But private space exploration is at an interesting point: one objective has been reached and a new objective has to be selected and accomplished.

How the hell does this have anything to do with your car? You need a new goal. One that right now seems out of reach and overwhelming, but nonetheless is doable. How 'bout this?

12.99

It also occurs to me that the GM V660 needs the equivalent of an X-Prize or two. No, not $10 million. More like $100 or $1000. Not enough to pay for the project, just enough to get people focused on the competition and the goal. Perhaps have a deadline and a final showdown in a single location.

Something like, "The first NA FWD pushrod V660 to reach 11.00sec in a production body that the basic motor originally came in. The car can weigh no less than 2000lbs, and the motor can be no more than 221ci. No VVT."

This is doable. Then have an equivalent prize for DOHC and RWD etc and perhaps have some secondary MPH prize.

I'll put up the first $50. Will anyone join me?

Again, congratulations Colin,

sg99

[v6h.o.]

Re: Fastest N/A V6jbody, 13.9's

I'm very stoked to be the first N/A 60degreev6 Jbody in the 13's... now i can park the car for a while and figure out what i want to do with it.
not sure if i should finish building this other engine i have, or just let it sit for a few years and in the meantime buy something new, at least i accomplished my goal for the car, now i can sit back and let it sit for a while..

First, congratulations! Well, done.

This may not seem related to this thread, but I was watching the SpaceShipOne launch and safe recovery today. They won the X-prize. In all the time filler talk that surrounds one of these broadcasts, one idea kept coming up, "What now?"

Well, for the time being, the goal for the X-Prize committee is to sponsor large scale demonstrations of various teams reaching space and returning to earth.

But private space exploration is at an interesting point: one objective has been reached and a new objective has to be selected and accomplished.

How the hell does this have anything to do with your car? You need a new goal. One that right now seems out of reach and overwhelming, but nonetheless is doable. How 'bout this?

12.99

It also occurs to me that the GM V660 needs the equivalent of an X-Prize or two. No, not $10 million. More like $100 or $1000. Not enough to pay for the project, just enough to get people focused on the competition and the goal. Perhaps have a deadline and a final showdown in a single location.

Something like, "The first NA FWD pushrod V660 to reach 11.00sec in a production body that the basic motor originally came in. The car can weigh no less than 2000lbs, and the motor can be no more than 221ci. No VVT."

This is doable. Then have an equivalent prize for DOHC and RWD etc and perhaps have some secondary MPH prize.

I'll put up the first $50. Will anyone join me?

Again, congratulations Colin,

sg99

Thanks Dave.. and you know what.. I Will join you... i love a good challenge..

I think this is a great idea. may be something that might take another 2 years or so to be accomplished. or maybe not.

[Anonymous]

Colin I'll beat ya to the 12s!!!