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  • Tomorrow I'm picking up a 3.73 open rear end (10-bolt) for $120 and then on Thursday we're gonna weld up the centre section haha. Friday leave for the races.
    '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
    '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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    • Im running the 1/4 this weekend too. I will text you if I hit 10s.
      11.92 @ 122 MPH 3400 91 Cavalier Z24 Intercooled S/C. -totalled-
      10.56 @ 130 MPH 3900 LZ9 87 IROC Z28 Intercooled GT4088 Turbo

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      • Originally posted by Mars View Post
        Im running the 1/4 this weekend too. I will text you if I hit 10s.


        Dont forget the video camera...LOL
        '86 Grand National

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        • Originally posted by Mars View Post
          Im running the 1/4 this weekend too. I will text you if I hit 10s.
          we better see one of you hit 10's before the summer is gone!
          "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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          • Well, had a bunch of problems at the track. First, that 3.73 rear end turned out to have different style housing ends than all other 10-bolts I've seen, so I couldn't swap my brakes over. I decided to go with the 3.23 rear end.

            On the way to the track, the clutch master cylinder rod bent, so that had to be removed and bent back before I could race.

            On Saturday, the car was misfiring badly all day under boost, tried coils and plugs but that didn't change anything. Then I found that the positive battery cable terminal had broken, so that was replaced. I'm not sure if the battery cable was the issue or if resetting the ECM fixed the problem, but the misfire was gone for Sunday.

            Sunday there was only 1 time trial left before eliminations so I made the most of it, but then a) the boost controller wasn't working, and b) the 2-step rev limiter stopped building more than 5 psi, so I bogged off the line. That was the best run at 13.8 @ 107 MPH and a 2.5 sec 60-ft.

            I was eliminated in the 1st round of eliminations but its just as well because it rained after that anyway and the races were cancelled.

            Needless to say I'm pretty bummed about the weekend but ill try to make it at least once to Mission on the mainland before the season is over.
            '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
            '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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            • My car wasn't the only with issues either, so my friends and I pretty much spent the whole weekend fixing cars lol.
              '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
              '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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              • Ahh one of those weekends.

                I also had issues. ran a best of 11.55 on 6 psi and didn't want to go any higher boost because of a HORRIBLE shimmy / vibration over 100MPH. I checked the car out and can't really figure it out. I think maybe my slicks (that I bought used) are screwed up. Should have a new set of MH racemaster drags for the next race anyways. I also found one of my front wheel bearings kinda loose. Might have been causing it.

                Might have twisted an axle too ( no one makes 9 bolt axles of course)..

                So, yeah, all the power in the world is no good with a bad vibration like that..

                Keep at it man, you'll get it going fast.
                11.92 @ 122 MPH 3400 91 Cavalier Z24 Intercooled S/C. -totalled-
                10.56 @ 130 MPH 3900 LZ9 87 IROC Z28 Intercooled GT4088 Turbo

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                • 2.5 60' and 107, the car is making good power.

                  Mars, that's the problem with the Borg-Warner 9 bolt. They are pretty stout, but parts are hard to get. Put the same one as you did in my bird.
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                  • Well I just sourced a 4.11 LSD centre section for the 9" so hopefully that rear end will be in there for the next race.

                    OTOH the misfire is still there it turns out; it just migrated to higher RPMs. So that 13.8 @ 107 I was also short shifting.

                    Anyone know what can cause a high RPM misfire? It's not the coil pack or plugs as both have been changed out. I'm really not sure what to check next. AFRs are steady until it misfires and I'm pretty sure it's spark since it backfires out the exhaust when it happens.
                    '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
                    '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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                    • Originally posted by caffeine View Post
                      Well I just sourced a 4.11 LSD centre section for the 9" so hopefully that rear end will be in there for the next race.

                      OTOH the misfire is still there it turns out; it just migrated to higher RPMs. So that 13.8 @ 107 I was also short shifting.

                      Anyone know what can cause a high RPM misfire? It's not the coil pack or plugs as both have been changed out. I'm really not sure what to check next. AFRs are steady until it misfires and I'm pretty sure it's spark since it backfires out the exhaust when it happens.

                      crank position sensor
                      "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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                      • Wow I never would have thought about the crank sensor failing like that. Do they actually commonly fail that way?
                        '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
                        '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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                        • The crank sensor does come within a 1/2" of the exhaust manifold so it is actually a likely candidate.
                          '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
                          '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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                          • Originally posted by caffeine View Post
                            Wow I never would have thought about the crank sensor failing like that. Do they actually commonly fail that way?
                            Will on PFF had one go on his N* in a similar manner.

                            it's also very capable of cutting ignition if it fails...
                            "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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                            • I was having an ign issue a couple weeks ago. I bit the bullet, and got new plugs, wires and MSD coils. fixed. The plugs and wires were pretty old and the coils were also 15+ years old, so nice to have new goodies on there.

                              I put on a new (used) Pass side axle in tonight, i think 90% of the shimmy is gone.
                              11.92 @ 122 MPH 3400 91 Cavalier Z24 Intercooled S/C. -totalled-
                              10.56 @ 130 MPH 3900 LZ9 87 IROC Z28 Intercooled GT4088 Turbo

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                              • So... fixed the ignition problem (was an issue with the power wire going to the ICM), and have taken it to a couple autoX events but not too much more. Welded in an 8-point Competition Engineering cage about a week ago and installed a Bride racing seat. Interior is now totally stripped except for the dash.

                                Over the winter I've been throwing around a few ideas for improvements... For autoX and possibly drift events I'd like to improve the steering angle. There was a guy on TGO making some modified knuckles that allowed for 58* of angle which is pretty decent so I've contacted him to see if I can get a set. Oil cooler and power steering cooler are almost certainly happening.

                                Also a stronger rear end setup will be installed over the winter. I've been throwing the idea around of installing a 300zx IRS in the car since I can source them cheap and they already have the ideal ratio for my car. It won't make the car as easy to drag race on the other hand. I also have a 9" housing to fab in if the IRS doesn't happen. I just started renting a new shop with a professional welder and some other friends so we have everything to make it happen.

                                Power wise I'd like to grab another engine and build it with ported heads/intakes but not sure whether or not that will happen. Current engine still runs plenty strong and I have probably put about 10-15,000 kms of street driving on it. I was worried about longevity with the stock timing chain at first but there doesn't seem to be any issues yet.
                                '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
                                '86 Fiero, 3500, 4-speed

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