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  • The engine lives!

    It's alive. Started it tonight and let it run long enough for the thermostat to open up so I can get the air out of the cooling system before I drive it. Gonna go drive it and break it in tomorrow night for about 50 miles then bring it back and top off the trans fluid and change the oil and filter and hook the oil cooler and remote filter back up.

    It's definitely quieter and idles better with the stock cam profile back in. Less rocker noise too with the floating rockers taken out. The exhaust note at idle is certainly less mean sounding, but I can live with it for now to have something that drives well. Got more vacuum now (obviously from the cam) at 18in/Hg instead of the 14-16 I used to get, and it holds rpm steadier. Fuel pressure at idle dropped 2 psi because of the vacuum drop, but I'll probably leave it alone since my fuel trim is -16 right now. Kind of odd since I'm using the same injector value as last time I ran 42lb'ers. I think the O2 probably got jacked from the junk dumped in the exhaust when the head gaskets blew though, so I have a new one ordered and I'll see what it does with the fuel trims after I swap it in.

    Only weird thing I noticed was the oil pressure was kind of high. Like 55-60 psi at idle! The oil probably wasn't fully warmed up yet and I'm using 10w-30 conventional oil right now since that's what the shop recommended for during break in. I wouldn't think it would make that much difference though. I used to get 22-25 psi at cold idle and around 18 psi fully hot. I know in the manual it has the oil pressure two places. One says only 15 psi at 1100 rpm and another says something like 20 or 22 psi at 1100 rpm. My dad thought both of those sounded too low, and since I found the oil pump gears where worn I decided to replace it.

    I got a melling pump instead of the OEM one, but they have two part numbers. One for normal and one for the high volume unit. The one I picked up had the part number for the normal one on the box, but I'm wondering if I got the wrong one by accident? After the initial break in I'm changing the oil to a 5w-30 conventional so I guess I'll see what the pressure is after that and maybe call melling and see what they say the pressure should be. I can't think of anything else that I changed that would have made the pressure change that much. Just the pump and oil weight. Only other possibility is maybe the gauge sending unit was blocked before, or is going bad? No clue at this point.
    '97 Grand Prix GT 3800 (sold)
    '00 Grand Am GT 3400 supercharged
    13.788 @ 103.73 mph, 320whp 300 ft/lbs
    Gotta love boost!

  • #2
    Possible that having the block cleaned helped clean out oil passages? Not really sure.

    Good to hear that you got it all back running! Did you install the supercharger again?

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    • #3
      Oh yeah, the SC is in. The way everything is modified, it practically won't run without it. I'd have to do more modifications and buy more parts to run NA again. I just swapped on the original low boost pulley for the time being during break in. Changed the SC oil before putting it back in too.
      '97 Grand Prix GT 3800 (sold)
      '00 Grand Am GT 3400 supercharged
      13.788 @ 103.73 mph, 320whp 300 ft/lbs
      Gotta love boost!

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      • #4
        Good to hear a boosted GA is still on the road. Pleeeaase take it to the track again!

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        • #5
          That pressure sounds fine for cold idle. But all that really matters is hot idle and running pressure. With a new pump you should be around 20 to 30 PSI at idle and it should hit the bypass and max out around 50 or 60 PSI at just over 2000RPM.
          1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
          1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
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          • #6
            50-60 is too high? I put a high volumne in mine and then added a little under 1/4" of flat washers to my pressure spring and jacked the pressure up. Cold and idle I'm around 75, warm 50, and I'm running 10w40.

            It's an old school pressure bump up trick.

            I wouldnt worry about your oil pressure being too high unless your over 110 and you see filters being inflated or seals popping.
            sigpicHow to make High performance Emissions:
            A "true" High flow converter, straight pipe.
            Low/No flow EGR valve, block off plate.
            Carbon canister and purge valve mod, place in large 30 Gallon can, cover, and place curbside, the city will do the rest.
            PCV valve and vent tube, reroute to exhaust to dump where it belongs, on the ground. Or add breathers and let it all free.

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            • #7
              Frams have a safety in them. They tend to burst under normal operating pressures, lol.
              -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
              91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
              92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
              94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
              Originally posted by Jay Leno
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              • #8
                Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
                Frams have a safety in them. They tend to burst under normal operating pressures, lol.
                LMAO
                sigpicHow to make High performance Emissions:
                A "true" High flow converter, straight pipe.
                Low/No flow EGR valve, block off plate.
                Carbon canister and purge valve mod, place in large 30 Gallon can, cover, and place curbside, the city will do the rest.
                PCV valve and vent tube, reroute to exhaust to dump where it belongs, on the ground. Or add breathers and let it all free.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
                  Frams have a safety in them. They tend to burst under normal operating pressures, lol.
                  the one i had because i wanted to cut it apart, it scared me at 60PSI.
                  1995 Monte Carlo LS 3100, 4T60E...for now, future plans include driving it until the wheels fall off!
                  Latest nAst1 files here!
                  Need a wiring diagram for any GM car or truck from 82-06(and 07-08 cars)? PM me!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 95SleeperAcheiva View Post
                    50-60 is too high? I put a high volumne in mine and then added a little under 1/4" of flat washers to my pressure spring and jacked the pressure up. Cold and idle I'm around 75, warm 50, and I'm running 10w40.

                    It's an old school pressure bump up trick.

                    I wouldnt worry about your oil pressure being too high unless your over 110 and you see filters being inflated or seals popping.
                    Not all old school tricks are valuable.
                    Ben
                    60DegreeV6.com
                    WOT-Tech.com

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                    • #11
                      Agreed. Nothing like making the oil hot, aerated and losing horsepower.
                      1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                      1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                      Because... I am, CANADIAN

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                      • #12
                        isn't above ~80PSI risking flushing out the babbit material in the bearings?
                        1995 Monte Carlo LS 3100, 4T60E...for now, future plans include driving it until the wheels fall off!
                        Latest nAst1 files here!
                        Need a wiring diagram for any GM car or truck from 82-06(and 07-08 cars)? PM me!

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                        • #13
                          I am not certain what the psi is for bearing failure, but you can relate it to using a pressure washer. You can only go so far before you start taking off material.
                          Ben
                          60DegreeV6.com
                          WOT-Tech.com

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 95SleeperAcheiva View Post
                            50-60 is too high? I put a high volumne in mine and then added a little under 1/4" of flat washers to my pressure spring and jacked the pressure up. Cold and idle I'm around 75, warm 50, and I'm running 10w40.

                            It's an old school pressure bump up trick.

                            I wouldnt worry about your oil pressure being too high unless your over 110 and you see filters being inflated or seals popping.
                            It's much higher than is called for in the manual for this engine, so yeah...

                            Also putting flat washers under the pressure spring won't increase your base pressure, just the max pressure the pump will develope before the bypass opens. I put about 3/16" of washers behind my pressure spring. Kind of thinking I didn't really need to now, but I was expecting the peak oil pressure to be around the same as my old pump and I wanted to bump it up a little.

                            I don't think it's hitting anything that will be too detrimental at this point though. Cold idle it's still a little high but once warmed up the pressure drops to 25psi now. Sits at about 50 at cruising speeds and maxes out around 70psi. I'll have to wait and see what it does when I change the oil and go back to 5w30, and put the remote filter and oil cooler back in the circuit.

                            I have a couple other issues to sort out though. Nylon tubing I'm using between the PCV valve and catch can is just collapsing and sucking itself shut when it gets hot so I need to replace that with some 3/8" rubber hose. Also getting some weird rattles/knocking sounds from the exhaust but only at certain times like cold idle and after I shifting into gear with the car sitting still. It comes and goes so haven't been able to determine exactly whats causing it. Maybe it just sounds different from going back to the stock cam and I'm being paranoid. I'm getting some white smoke out the exhaust sometimes too which is weird, but that comes and goes too. I drove it once for about 15 miles and didn't notice it. Then I replaced the O2 sensor and got a ton of white smoke out the exhaust after start up. It went away after getting good and hot so I figured maybe it was just anti-sieze burning off the sensor threads or something. It still gets a little smoke out the back though. Mostly when it's cold but not always. Not a ton of smoke, but more than it ever had before. I don't know if this is just from being a new engine and the rings still breaking in or what.
                            Last edited by AaronGTR; 06-26-2011, 08:48 PM.
                            '97 Grand Prix GT 3800 (sold)
                            '00 Grand Am GT 3400 supercharged
                            13.788 @ 103.73 mph, 320whp 300 ft/lbs
                            Gotta love boost!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
                              I am not certain what the psi is for bearing failure, but you can relate it to using a pressure washer. You can only go so far before you start taking off material.
                              Is that how I practically engraved my name into the side of a house with a really nice new John Deere gas driven pressure washer? lol.
                              -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
                              91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
                              92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
                              94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
                              Originally posted by Jay Leno
                              Tires are cheap clutches...

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