3400 Build

[trewyn15]

Hey guys, im going to do a stage 2 performance package on my car, 2004 Monte Carlo LS, to see what I can make out of the 3400. The first thing i saw was the milzy package.

this is what comes with:
Kit includes:
-MMS Stage 2 heads
-MMS Stage 2 cam
-MMS Complete heads and cam install kit
-MMS ported intake manifolds
-MMS Stage 2 PCM
-MMS 180 t-stat
-MMS 36lb injector and harness kit
-MMS chromemoly pushrods
$2,749.99

im wondering what else i should probably get with this build and if theres a cheaper place to get these parts. links would be best.

im looking to start buying parts early.

i dont want to do a swap or turbo or supercharger, im looking to see how much i can build the 3400.

thanks in advanced.

can someone please put this in the right area. thanks

[bszopi]

I'll move it over to the pushrod performance section as soon as I get an internet connection besides my phone.

As far as parts go, check out the WOT-tech forum area on here (right above the engine swap forum...?). Ben has several packages outlined in various threads. I am pretty sure his street/strip package is comparable to the Milzy Stage 2 package.

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[SappySE107]

The prices I have listed on the forum with the packages are retail. I discount the parts if you buy a complete package (cam, valvetrain, heads, manifolds).

[trewyn15]

The prices I have listed on the forum with the packages are retail. I discount the parts if you buy a complete package (cam, valvetrain, heads, manifolds).

okay, would i order through you? i'm kind of confused as to where to order from, and also what a total would be for all parts

[trewyn15]

also, heres the car that will be getting modified

[SappySE107]

My store is WOT-Tech, and you would order through there. I haven't made any listings for the parts packages, and I am still working on the pcm tuning, though that is going very well now.

If you tell me what your goal is and how the car will be used, I can put together a package. 2750 + 450 core is the budget?

[trewyn15]

right now i dont really have a budget, honestly the build wont start for another 2 years probably but im trying to gather all the information and prices i cant get so i know what i have to have by that time. im looking to make a street car, it probably wont go to the track a ton, i want to try and get the most hp out of it as i can by keeping it n/a but i dont want it to be rediculous to where i cant drive it on the road. i want power though. 2750 + 450 core is what i would like to stay around though.

[trewyn15]

also, i would like to all this without having to add on more things to make it work right, if that makes sense.

[trewyn15]

could you post numbers that you could expect from each the high performance, performance and budget builds on a stock car?

[AaronGTR]

My advice would be decide what you really want to do with the car first. First you say you eventually want to swap in a SC or turbo, then later you say you want as much HP as possible with it NA? You are going to have to pick one or the other. If you build the block you will need different pistons with different compression ratios to get the most out of either boost or NA, and even if you leave the internals alone there are different specs for cams and heads that will optimize them for either boost or NA. You can pick a mild setup that will work for either one... but it won't be optimized for either and won't give you the most power. It will just work well all around. Pick one so you don't end up replacing parts later. Also if you go for boost, there are definitely more parts, modifications, and tuning that will be needed. These cars were not boosted from the factory, so adding boost to them requires in depth knowledge of the engine and how the power adder system works. As for the list of parts you posted, you won't need 36lb injectors unless you add boost. They are a waste of money on a NA car. Even if you add displacement, increase compression, and add cam/heads, the most you'd need is 28lb'ers. Most people get away with stock injectors. Also make sure you address the peripherals on the engine. You'll want headers and a good exhaust (2.5" or bigger) and a bigger throttle body wouldn't hurt.

[trewyn15]

My advice would be decide what you really want to do with the car first. First you say you eventually want to swap in a SC or turbo, then later you say you want as much HP as possible with it NA? You are going to have to pick one or the other. If you build the block you will need different pistons with different compression ratios to get the most out of either boost or NA, and even if you leave the internals alone there are different specs for cams and heads that will optimize them for either boost or NA. You can pick a mild setup that will work for either one... but it won't be optimized for either and won't give you the most power. It will just work well all around. Pick one so you don't end up replacing parts later. Also if you go for boost, there are definitely more parts, modifications, and tuning that will be needed. These cars were not boosted from the factory, so adding boost to them requires in depth knowledge of the engine and how the power adder system works. As for the list of parts you posted, you won't need 36lb injectors unless you add boost. They are a waste of money on a NA car. Even if you add displacement, increase compression, and add cam/heads, the most you'd need is 28lb'ers. Most people get away with stock injectors. Also make sure you address the peripherals on the engine. You'll want headers and a good exhaust (2.5" or bigger) and a bigger throttle body wouldn't hurt.

i said i dont want to go s/c or turbo and ive stayed that way.

i want to get as much power out of my car for that price range that i posted, give or take 1000 bucks, within that price range i want to keep it so i wont have any failure of parts in the future, if that makes sense, i want it to be powerful but last me some time, some parts here and there are expected, also, i want to be able to add small things like throttle body, the exhaust now is 2.25 so that would all have to be upgraded along with a down pipe that is larger and possibly high flow cat, those sort of small things, but not including those im looking into what i can get out of the money that i said im willing to spend.

thanks.

[AaronGTR]

Sorry, I misread your first post, I thought you said you were thinking of adding a SC or turbo later... but obviously that's not the case.


Anyway my advice about the injectors and other peripherals still applies. Just remember to keep your power goals conservative. This is still a pushrod v6 with a relatively long stroke... it's not a high revving DOHC so it's efficiency and head flow is somewhat limited without boost, and you'll only be able to make so much power without making it so extreme that it's undriveable on the street.

[trewyn15]

Sorry, I misread your first post, I thought you said you were thinking of adding a SC or turbo later... but obviously that's not the case.


Anyway my advice about the injectors and other peripherals still applies. Just remember to keep your power goals conservative. This is still a pushrod v6 with a relatively long stroke... it's not a high revving DOHC so it's efficiency and head flow is somewhat limited without boost, and you'll only be able to make so much power without making it so extreme that it's undriveable on the street.

its not problem.

well some undriveability is okay, ill throw slicks on her haha, waiting for him to post some numbers and prodcuts though.

[SappySE107]

I posted the budget build numbers in the other thread. I have a lot going on to be simulating all the cam options. I haven't had time to list the stage 2 and 3 (performance and high performance) packages on the store yet either.