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  • Interesting things i just stumbled upon for 58x

    Ok, well as some of you know, i work at SDPC. We try to be on the leading edge of everything GM related. Well, in doing so, i stumbled upon something very interesting that im not sure gm meant to do in its purpose of being cheap.

    GMs new series of LS engines includes a 58x crank trigger. and a 1x or 4x cam sensor. it uses the new gm wideband knock sensors as well. and the GM wafer style maf that is not limited in tubing size. a plus!

    so guess what else uses the 58x crank signal and prob a 1x cam? Thats right, the newer 3500/3900 and 3500 VVT. ok so GM makes a stand alone controller that works the DBW TB, and would nearly plug directly (or would with a few wiring changes) to any of those engines making a stand alone controller for them. They cannot work VVT (from GM anyway...the ones from MAST CAN), but they are more tunable. they are made to operate V8 engines, but im sure that can be changed or worked around. as long as the dwell is set right and everything, i see that working very well. also MSD makes a stand alone ignition controller for the 58x signal OR a 24x signal like what is found on the SFI engines. THey are ign only, and are fully tunable. they will use the LS style coils as well. SO no need for a dizzy then.

    Ok, so another neat thing is that there is another company that makes a converter box to make the 58x signal into a 24x signal. SO, this means that (in theory) the 3900 can be put into a 24x computer car. the prob with the 3400 cars is they use another sensor that the LS vehicles dont. BUT the LS cars DO!!!! And they are cable driven. They use a 1x cam signal and can also use the Gm LS coils.

    So, if you are grasping all of this like i am, that the gm LS systems can possibly be tricked into working a V6!!!! Either cable driven or drive by wire!!! Just because GM uses that same style for its computers. SO, if you can can use the 24x off the front of the engine and disregard the 7x or find a 24x or 58X ring to put onto a 3100/3400 crank, then that could work. Then there would be no need for the sensor on the front of the crank on teh balancer, AND the 58x engine would have a stand alone controller and more tuning options or be used in the cable driven cars with a 24x computer by use of the conversion box. this is all supposing that the gm computer can be tricked into thinking it only needs to operate 6 cylinders. i think it can. please tell me what you think!!!

  • #2
    iirc the 58x sensor on our engines is different than the LSx version....


    got pics of the v8 version?
    Past Builds;
    1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
    1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
    Current Project;
    1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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    • #3
      well the sensor does not matter nor does the timing ring. the signal is what matters. if either a tone ring like what joseph had done or something to mimic it, if the normal signal will not work.

      the cam lobe on the diff year model cams is diff as well on our engines, but they will all work with the same sensor on the same computer. it is not the type of timing marks that matter, it is the actual signal

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      • #4
        this is the 24x one. http://sdparts.com/details/gm-perfor...parts/12559353
        Last edited by gectek; 12-26-2009, 04:01 PM.

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        • #5
          bad link...

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          • #6
            thanks. fixed mine too

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            • #7
              i ment the reluctor ring, i was a bit loopy on Benadryl.


              From the pictures i just found it looks like the LSx 58x wheel is similar to the 60v6 one..




              http://www.3500z.com/60degree/Gen3/3500V2.0%20137.jpg (big pic)


              *edit.. damn ninjas lol
              Past Builds;
              1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
              1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
              Current Project;
              1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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              • #8
                that is the 24x one. the 58 is all one piece not 2 put together. it has all the same teeth spaced apart. its kinda hard to find the 58 tooth. if i get my cam today ill get a pic on monday. but what i am saying is, that if the marks on the cam made no diff, then the ring will not either. if it does, then just get the one that will work and press it on.

                and yes...dem damn ninjas lol

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