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    Hello all!

    I hope I am putting this in the right section. If not please admin, contact me about putting it in the right place before deleting it.

    Given the fact that for most of us, buying parts for our modding purposes can be difficult in not nearly impossible sometimes since not every source has every item of interest I believe this message will be or great interest to all.

    I recently began working for a company that manufactures high performance parts for racing applications. I was offered the opportunity to have my car be a test mule for a new product line to be created in conjunction with a major supercharger manufacturer. Given the nature and generosity of the offer, I accepted. I have been asked to spread the word explaining the plans for this product line and rather than possibly misinterpret what i have been told and lead others to believe this is anything other than what it is I have been allowed to create an "unofficial press release" for the forums which should explain everything. companies have not been named and I can not mention them yet but this is very real and it is happening as we speak. If anyone has any questions about anything in this "press release" please contact me at my new email

    bobatrpm@gmail.com

    An east coast performance component manufacturer with years of successful racing experience has entered into a deal with a leading supercharger manufacturer to develop and market “Plug and Play” bolt on supercharger kits for a wide variety of 4 and 6 cylinder domestic and import vehicles, starting with General Motors 3400sfi equipped automobiles. The test mule for this initial project is owned by forum regular bobgagt1.0

    These packages will be different from other supercharger kits currently available for these vehicles in that they will be more comprehensive than existing choices, simultaneously offering larger horsepower gains while maintaining a competitive price point. To further this effort of being consumer cost conscious, a tuner kit is planned and all parts not available within any purchased package will be available for sale separately to maximize the possible horsepower combinations and provide the consumer with the customizability to meet his or her power needs and budget.

    As currently planned the Tuner Kit will include a supercharger (the type of which will be disclosed later), all brackets, and hardware. This most basic offering is geared toward the buyer wishing to create specific gains by matching components available individually as well as the beginning enthusiast or the customer on a budget.

    A considerable step up is the Stage 1 Kit. This package will include the supercharger, plumbing, blow off valve, 3 bar MAP sensor, and a stage 1remapped P.C.M.

    Going further up the ladder of horsepower gains is the Stage 2 Kit. In this incarnation the package will include the complete Stage 1 Kit as well as an intercooler, an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, larger injectors, and a stage 2 remapped P.C.M.

    These last 2 packages mentioned above are geared toward giving the more experienced modder options that not only take the aggravation out of gathering the components needed to build the car of his or her dreams but to do it without breaking the bank as well as offer the less knowledgeable enthusiast choices that take the guess work out of how to create desirable power gains.

    There are plans for other kits as well, up to and including a complete drag race only application. However since these have not been finalized it would not be wise to go into further detail at this time. Suffice it to say that the ultimate goal is to include products in these packages that are not only high quality but minimize waste in having to discard parts from one Stage when upgrading to a higher level Stage after the initial purchase.

    As mentioned earlier, optional parts will offer some customization and even more horsepower to those that decide that the upgrade offered in any package is not enough. These parts are projected to include but may not be limited to, pistons, rods, cranks, cams, headers, high flow catalytic converters, cat back exhausts, and water injection as well as complete long and short block assemblies built to order.

    It should also be mentioned that the core of this company has always been in performance transmissions and drivelines. With a long and successful racing history behind them, you will have numerous options there as well. These options will include but may not be limited to automatic and manual transmissions in heavy duty and hi performance variants, limited slip differentials, and axles available in street and race ready variants.

    Ultimately the goal of this partnership is to provide consumers who have the “Need for Speed” a better, more cost effective and less wasteful way to get the power they crave. Whether it be a complete race ready package for an adrenaline junky or a simple to install, reasonably priced upgrade for the guy next door that wants his grocery getter to get groceries faster. These options and everything in between will soon be available all in one place, designed and developed to go together and that’s how it should be.


  • #2
    To good to be true.....

    Even though this is not directed toward the Fbody car as of yet I must say that this is a much needed market to take up: 60 degree v6 performance. And I am so grateful that a company has made the effort to fulfill this thirst for performance that we 60* V6 owners crave and thank you for allowing your car to be the guinea pig!! There is a very good chance that I can use some of the performance parts built for the FWD on my RWD Fbody platform.

    By the way congratulations on the job find its hard to find new jobs with the hard times that we are facing....even with a degree.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Firehawk94 View Post
      To good to be true.....

      Even though this is not directed toward the Fbody car as of yet I must say that this is a much needed market to take up: 60 degree v6 performance. And I am so grateful that a company has made the effort to fulfill this thirst for performance that we 60* V6 owners crave and thank you for allowing your car to be the guinea pig!! There is a very good chance that I can use some of the performance parts built for the FWD on my RWD Fbody platform.

      By the way congratulations on the job find its hard to find new jobs with the hard times that we are facing....even with a degree.
      I don't think you'll have to worry about modding parts from a kit to fit it to your car, I may be speaking out of turn here but a big part of the planning is to look for under supported engines that show good potential for creating HP gains.

      everyone knows the 3800 is a good platform for HP gains, it's been documented. but there are Millions of 60*v6's out there as well as 4cylinders that can make good HP but no one knows about them so they just go to work and the grocery store. no drag strip for them. there are plans to find engines that can handle good HP increases without falling apart and support them when ever feasable. as long as there is enough people to support the companies efforts the company will make every effort to support that engine.
      If you have any suggestions send them to me via the email in the post.

      as far as the job, yeah I got lucky. Now I hope I can keep it long enough to complete the test mule contract and keep the mods...LOL

      by the way I know a guy that might be able to supply you with street/strip high performance drivetrain parts if you need them. email or PM me.

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      • #4
        I think your company has spent too much time in trannies and drivelines and not enough time in FI engines. The simple fact that the first 2 kits are adding forced induction to an engine and NOT upgrading the fuel system shows that. And then the fact that you list a 3-bar MAP sensor for the Stage 1 makes me think either you have been mis-informed or your company doesn't know wtf they are doing.

        Good luck with it, but your "press release" has too many holes in it to make me think the project will become a reality.

        Oh, and the name of the manufacturer of the SC's that this is all based around is ProCharger. Unfortunately, you've already mentioned that on other forums...
        -Brad-
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        • #5
          Originally posted by bszopi View Post
          I think your company has spent too much time in trannies and drivelines and not enough time in FI engines. The simple fact that the first 2 kits are adding forced induction to an engine and NOT upgrading the fuel system shows that. And then the fact that you list a 3-bar MAP sensor for the Stage 1 makes me think either you have been mis-informed or your company doesn't know wtf they are doing.

          Good luck with it, but your "press release" has too many holes in it to make me think the project will become a reality.

          Oh, and the name of the manufacturer of the SC's that this is all based around is ProCharger. Unfortunately, you've already mentioned that on other forums...
          1- I have never mentioned the supercharger manufacturer on any forum. to do so would mean I void my contract with the company producing the kits and possibly even cause me to lose the deal for them.

          2- there are ways around fuel issues that would crop up that have nothing to do with bigger injectors, fuel pumps, etc. but most average modders would not know this, thankfully for me my car is in the hands of a man that has been doing this for almost 30 years.

          3- the 3 bar map sensor is 1 PART of a multi part solution for the fuel issue you mentioned. and before you go into how the pcm can only handle a 2 bar map sensor the company producing these kits has coded and owns the rights to a 3 bar map sensor file for these and other cars.

          4- Please remember, I am only the guy that owns the initial test mule car. I am not in on development meetings or design plans. In the future if you or anyone have any questions that need to be answered or if there is anything you want to know please send them to the email I included in this thread and either I will answer them myself or I will get the answers for you from the people involved in this that know. there is no need to attack the writer of a thread when asking a question will get you the answer you need.

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          • #6
            Way too many holes, and define affordable, since a procharger head unit starts out at atleast $1800. Also a 3 bar Map.... considering that HPTuners and DHP do not support 3 bar map conversions, that is going to be a tough one.

            Also you refer to yourself as being a "forum regular", however you are pretty much a newb on every forum and your first impressions haven't been all that good from what I have seen. I am sure they are far from a one stop shop, seeing as you don't list any brand names of products that are available.

            Does this one stop shop offer single roller timing sets, billet throttle bodies, Comp Cams, Ported Heads (and do you have any flow data on the heads).

            Stop posting about vapor ware on every forum and come back when you have something to offer other than dreams.
            2000 Grand Am GT
            2011 Chevy Impala

            "The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power." ~John Lingenfelter

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            • #7
              Originally posted by onefastV6 View Post
              Way too many holes, and define affordable, since a procharger head unit starts out at atleast $1800. Also a 3 bar Map.... considering that HPTuners and DHP do not support 3 bar map conversions, that is going to be a tough one.

              Also you refer to yourself as being a "forum regular", however you are pretty much a newb on every forum and your first impressions haven't been all that good from what I have seen. I am sure they are far from a one stop shop, seeing as you don't list any brand names of products that are available.

              Does this one stop shop offer single roller timing sets, billet throttle bodies, Comp Cams, Ported Heads (and do you have any flow data on the heads).

              Stop posting about vapor ware on every forum and come back when you have something to offer other than dreams.
              Again, I do not remember ever posting anywhere that this would be a procharger unit. is procharger a manufacturer or a brand? If you can find a forum where I mentioned this please send it to me in a PM because I honestly do not remember ever saying anything to that effect. as for the "forum regular" thing... well it seemed like a honest enough way of describing myself since I have been a member of most of the forums I have joined at least long enough to show that I am an honest contributing member even if I have not posted enough to have the "newbie" title changed. as for what this company carries now or will carry in the future as they gear up for this product roll out...the answer is yes just ask out loud do they carry... the answer is by the time of product rollout yes the will have it. as for not naming names there is a reason, no one involved wants names mentioned yet.
              data, I do not know anything about that, I am just the guy that owns the test mule.

              this was posted to get peoples interest up and to share some personal good news. it is only "vaporware" to you for a short time and the dreaming will end soon.

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              • #8
                i think brackets and a supercharger are plenty to offer in a kit, or would be cool as an option. that way its more universal

                just a thought
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bobgagt1.0 View Post
                  1- I have never mentioned the supercharger manufacturer on any forum. to do so would mean I void my contract with the company producing the kits and possibly even cause me to lose the deal for them.
                  Sure you have, albeit indirectly... http://grandamgt.com/forum/showpost....07&postcount=9

                  Originally posted by bob's partner
                  "The things I would consider would be headers, a centrifical supercharger kit using the ATI Pro-Charger, a turbo kit, my automatic transmissions, manual transmission and complete swap kits, software, etc, etc. But that would be much later on because of all the development that goes into it."
                  2- there are ways around fuel issues that would crop up that have nothing to do with bigger injectors, fuel pumps, etc. but most average modders would not know this, thankfully for me my car is in the hands of a man that has been doing this for almost 30 years.
                  Yeah, yeah... he's a mechanical engineer that specializes in transmissions, and now is branching off into the world of performance engines, of which he has previously called "unrealible", based on still basically unknown block splitting issues. And yet, people who have been tweaking this engine for many years have to bump up fuel pressure and/or go to bigger injectors even on mild, NA builds. Hmm, who am I going to trust more.

                  3- the 3 bar map sensor is 1 PART of a multi part solution for the fuel issue you mentioned. and before you go into how the pcm can only handle a 2 bar map sensor the company producing these kits has coded and owns the rights to a 3 bar map sensor file for these and other cars.
                  There is no need for a 3-bar, as a 2-bar will suffice until you get into extreme performance builds. And not really sure how having a 3-bar MAP sensor really has anything to do with the overall fueling issue mentioned above. I think you are starting to talk out your ass now.

                  4- Please remember, I am only the guy that owns the initial test mule car. I am not in on development meetings or design plans. In the future if you or anyone have any questions that need to be answered or if there is anything you want to know please send them to the email I included in this thread and either I will answer them myself or I will get the answers for you from the people involved in this that know. there is no need to attack the writer of a thread when asking a question will get you the answer you need.
                  AS stated above, it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about, yet you are the person tasked with spreading the word. Talk about a failed marketing campaign. And as far as emailing you or sending you a PM, its not going to happen. As the forum co-owner and long time member of the community, I will make sure that everything is getting put out for all to see. I am not trying to stop the project, as I would love to see more performance parts available for these engines, but when someone spits out bogus information, then they are going to publicly get called out on it. If you don't like it, well then, I'm sorry. But that is the way its going to be...
                  -Brad-
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Alxsmt View Post
                    i think brackets and a supercharger are plenty to offer in a kit, or would be cool as an option. that way its more universal

                    just a thought
                    that's exactly the reason they decided to include the "tuner" kit so the guy on a budget and the guy that has a specific plan can get what they want.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bszopi View Post
                      Sure you have, albeit indirectly... http://grandamgt.com/forum/showpost....07&postcount=9





                      Yeah, yeah... he's a mechanical engineer that specializes in transmissions, and now is branching off into the world of performance engines, of which he has previously called "unrealible", based on still basically unknown block splitting issues. And yet, people who have been tweaking this engine for many years have to bump up fuel pressure and/or go to bigger injectors even on mild, NA builds. Hmm, who am I going to trust more.



                      There is no need for a 3-bar, as a 2-bar will suffice until you get into extreme performance builds. And not really sure how having a 3-bar MAP sensor really has anything to do with the overall fueling issue mentioned above. I think you are starting to talk out your ass now.



                      AS stated above, it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about, yet you are the person tasked with spreading the word. Talk about a failed marketing campaign. And as far as emailing you or sending you a PM, its not going to happen. As the forum co-owner and long time member of the community, I will make sure that everything is getting put out for all to see. I am not trying to stop the project, as I would love to see more performance parts available for these engines, but when someone spits out bogus information, then they are going to publicly get called out on it. If you don't like it, well then, I'm sorry. But that is the way its going to be...
                      LOL Okay here's the deal. You quoted info I provided on another forum that was from an email that was sent to me by someone involved in this who is not my partner. but you decided to alter the quote to read that way. (not cool dude) I wish I was a partner in this but I am not now or will I ever be a partner in this. what you have quoted was sent to me before any deal had been done and only mentions what he would LIKE to do so there is no mention anywhere from me or anyone else that this is the supercharger manufacturer that he made a deal with. It was shared with the forum to see what the reaction would be and to get input from others on what was said since I am not a mechanic

                      The block issue you mention he refered to was actually the gen 1 3400 block not the gen 3 block. there was some confusion between us when he and I talked about this which was later cleared up between us when I started looking for confirmation either way on the forums. once I found what i was looking for I went back to him and we cleared everything up. sorry I didn't announce it in the forum or send you a PM.

                      just because you do not know how a 3 bar MAP sensor figures in to dealing with the fuel issue in the stage 1 kit does not mean there is no answer only that you do not know the answer. As it has been explained to me there is more than 1 way to deal with fuel pressure and currently it is believed that computer adjustments will fix it. if not I'm sure the developers find a way to deal with it.

                      As you have pointed out I AM NOT A MECHANIC. I have never hidden that fact but does a guy need to know how to rebuild an engine in order to be able to share information on this forum? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere when I signed up. Nothing about what I have posted is bogus. this post was put out there as a way to gauge and build interest. the list of parts to be included in these kits is preliminary. sorry if it wasn't mentioned but use your head, if this project is going to require some R+D time then the list of products included in each kit may have to change for any one of a variety of reasons Sharing information is all I am trying to do here and yes i think you are trying to stop this project. Why? let's see... 1 - you have tried to make it seem like I mentioned the name of the supercharger manufacturer when I have not and I have mentioned what could happen on this and other forums what could possibly happen if that info were to get out and I was found responsible. 2 - you have repeatedly tried to call into question my intelligence. ( I.Q tests at 10 paces any day you want ) 3 - you question the intelligence of the owner of a company that is just trying to provide an option for those that need one since there are not a lot of vendors out there supporting the 3400sfi engine. 4 - You state for all to read that my information is bogus yet you have no proof of that since, the last time I checked you are not the great and powerful oz so you do not know all. You only know what you know HAS worked that does not mean that is the only thing that will work.

                      I hope you do realize that you have spent a lot of time you will never get back trying to debunk PRELIMINARY information.

                      Now please tell me something... what exactly does realible mean? re - al - ible... OH you meant reliable.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bobgagt1.0 View Post
                        just because you do not know how a 3 bar MAP sensor figures in to dealing with the fuel issue in the stage 1 kit does not mean there is no answer only that you do not know the answer. As it has been explained to me there is more than 1 way to deal with fuel pressure and currently it is believed that computer adjustments will fix it. if not I'm sure the developers find a way to deal with it.
                        Wrong. If they explained any of that to you in such a way, they should remain anonymous. Stop posting until said companies have done more than blow smoke up your ass so you can regurgitate that bong hit to the rest of us.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SappySE107 View Post
                          Stop posting until said companies have done more than blow smoke up your ass so you can regurgitate that bong hit to the rest of us.
                          x2...
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                          • #14
                            We supercharged 10 V6 fbodies, where's our press release?

                            For real, done.

                            Oh yeah and turbocharged 4 660's.
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                            • #15
                              Ben, please allow no_doz to release a press release next time you plan on releasing a new item for your store...
                              -Brad-
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