Short ram intake or fender well intake?

[robertisaar]

I race with dozens of guys every weekend and it is pretty well conceded that all these $300++ CAI's are about as effective as the "Tornado" in actually helping!

The science/theory is strong. The documented results almost don't exist in real world A-B-A testing without MAJOR cutting.

but i LOVE the tornado, it gives me 50MPG!!!

just like every car/motor ever made, its all a compromise, if you're willing to go through that major cutting for the power...

although have you tried removing the driver side headlight? i know with the W's it helps quite a bit to shove air in through the stock box, i imagine good, wide radius tubing would be able to benefit from it.

[asylummotorsports]

Remove a headlight?

Did the Wasabi from your take out just kick in?

Or are you having a Fox Body fixation? That can be forgiven I suppose.

My car runs what it runs in a True Street Class, the way I drive it to the track.

Only change I make is removing the Goodyear F-1's and bolting on the BFG Drag Radials.

It's an honest 14 second, as I drive it car.

[robertisaar]

didn't know the restrictions of your class are. i see W's pull the light all the time since the intake tube starts right behind it. it improves the ET...

[Alxsmt]

i have 4 90* bends in my CAI. puts the filter at the hole in the bumper cover. never thought of the bends affecting flow, i may try running a filter on my TB sometime to see how much different my times are

i used a universal charge pipe kit off ebay. spent like 60 bucks on it and bought a k&n

asylummotorsports - do you have more details on the locations you tried and times you got with them?

[Barry]

i have 4 90* bends in my CAI. puts the filter at the hole in the bumper cover. never thought of the bends affecting flow, i may try running a filter on my TB sometime to see how much different my times are

i used a universal charge pipe kit off ebay. spent like 60 bucks on it and bought a k&n

asylummotorsports - do you have more details on the locations you tried and times you got with them?

Your results wil vary alot becuase of the 5-speed, unless your damn good.

Asylum is perfect for this type of research for the fact that he can run down the strip extreamly consistantly(thats why he wins bracket races), and any changes will be noticable. Plus he spends alot of time at the track, making many runs will make a solid conclusion and eliminate any outliers or flukes.

I want to cut a hole in my fender and run a pipe straight from the TB to the fender. Then put a big chrome pepboys scoop on it.

[asylummotorsports]

I had the air inlet (with the K&N cone on it) in the fenderwheel in front of the tire, AND with the tube running straight down inside beside the battery with a bit of the filter actually visable below the plastic air dam. I had to cut some of the splash shield for the second location.

Both of those locations slowed the car as opposed to the 7 1/2" short WAI with the filter sitting just behind the battery on the fender well.

This was done with the headers open.

Best that day was a 14.13 with the short tube.

With the CAI set-ups (both were about the same) the best was 14.31.

It was also 2 mph faster with the short tube.

Now I am the first to concede that every car and in fact every engine tune is different, and "your results may vary" (I've always wanted to say that!!).

I also noticed my wideband O2 readings got richer with the longer tubing.

But I'm convinced that if you are going to suck air, a shorter straw is easier to deal with.

[Monzsta]

Remove a headlight?

Did the Wasabi from your take out just kick in?

Or are you having a Fox Body fixation? That can be forgiven I suppose.

My car runs what it runs in a True Street Class, the way I drive it to the track.

Only change I make is removing the Goodyear F-1's and bolting on the BFG Drag Radials.

It's an honest 14 second, as I drive it car.

What's your 1/8 mile times?

[asylummotorsports]

Best I think, and I would have to double check, but 9.0 something comes to mind.

I know I ran a 9.11 on a day when the clocks were set for JR Dragsters and the 1/4 didn't register.

[Alxsmt]

i gotta try a WAI... my first one i had 2.5" pipe going straight down under the battery almost lower than the car, hit 14.2 in the qtr running really rich (10.9-11) with all season tires.. now my afr is damn close to 12.5 under WOT, with hoosier drag radials, and 3" pipe going down below the battery, entering the bumper, going around the bumper to the front and the filter in the hole in the front of the bumper.. best it still 14.2... maybe my intake hurt me?

have you experimented with intake size at all? i always wanted to do that on a dyno

[asylummotorsports]

My wide band reads in the high 11's low 12's at WOT at 100 mph. It's hard to look down at that point and the digital meter moves SOOO fast!

Evidently that is where Rodney (the guy who tunes my car likes it) but I could be wrong!!

It's pretty consistent 14.6-15.5 in normal driving.

And whatever I have on there in my normal driving, just to the track and back, it corrects itself after a while.

[Alxsmt]

my highest top speed is 96.. ive only raced about 2 different times with this tune/tire combo. my shift points probly need a lot of work too

[asylummotorsports]

My shift light is set at 6000 RPM and I seldom allow it to go higher.

Again there are detracters who think that is too low on a 3500 with headers and such, but I'm happy, and haven't broken anything in almost what must be by now 1000, 14 second runs!

[bobgagt1.0]

Umm... MPRacing isn't a sponsor. We really don't have any sponsors, as WOT-Tech used to be just the 60V6 store, but has since branched off to become its own entity. So I wouldn't really consider Ben a "sponsor" per se.

The price that you are paying MP Racing is not only the parts, but the guarantee that its going to fit. Sure, you can buy all the pieces for cheaper, but then you have to go with trial and error to get each piece the right length, cut the piping and smooth out the edges, be carefully and not scratch the chrome plating on the pipes, etc... In the end, it may be slightly cheaper, but it may not look as nice.

Okay, my mistake, MPRacing isn't a sponsor. Thanks for correcting me on that.

Maybe I had a great experience with my CAI, maybe you've had a bad one but My CAI went on in 20 minutes with no trouble and was a perfect fit. It came from ebay with a K+N filter and was shipped to my door for $106. I did plenty of research on it before I purchased it to and could not find 1 negative word about it anywhere.

that's what I'm going for (granted the price may seem steep to some folks) but a guaranteed fit and some horsepower gain is worth it in my book. I might look at a more efficient exhaust a few years down the road (or earlier if I can find a job in this economy) However I've actually focused most of my mods on the interior with the goal of making it more luxurious (such as new LED bulbs in the foot wells and dual heat and massage seat cushions for both front seats) I'm not finished with it yet but I will post pics when it is

In a world where the T.V. you bought yesterday is now on sale at another place for $50 less today, the most important thing in buying ANYTHING is that you are comfortable buying from your chosen vendor and you are comfortable with the price you pay. I just happened to have a good experience with the place I purchased my cai from and the price I paid and felt I should share that info. I am sure MPRacing is an excellent company to do business with, will provide you with a quality product and an excellent purchasing experience. Enjoy the new CAI I'm sure you will love the effect it has on the sound and performance of your car.

[asylummotorsports]

You guys should read more.

Hundreds of dollars to SUCK perhaps somewhat cooler air up three feet of bends and connections and in the end the result is at best nothing!!

At worst you are ending up with LESS air to your engine.

But it's shiny, right?

[bobgagt1.0]

You guys should read more.

Hundreds of dollars to SUCK perhaps somewhat cooler air up three feet of bends and connections and in the end the result is at best nothing!!

At worst you are ending up with LESS air to your engine.

But it's shiny, right?

We all believe what we want to believe right? I choose to believe a CAI is an improvement that doesn't require spending TOO much money on, others choose to believe a better quality CAI and larger gains are a result of how much money is spent on one, you choose to believe it is a waste of time and money. If only we could test these beliefs on 3 100% identical cars by racing them side by side, but we can't so let's all just agree to disagree and move on knowing that it's great to have a forum like this where we can all voice our opinions.