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  • #31
    Well call me a Hoosier, but I would rather eat my corn on the cob then run my car on it....
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    • #32
      Takes a lot of coal to make e85.... unless you are running nuclear or hydro/air power..

      Dairy, eggs, etc have all gone up in price here because of the corn prices... Going towards e85 instead of livestock.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
        Well call me a Hoosier, but I would rather eat my corn on the cob then run my car on it....
        not your decision though. the market goes where it is allowed, and if there is more money to be made in E85 than there is with actual food....

        Originally posted by IsaacHayes View Post
        Takes a lot of coal to make e85.... unless you are running nuclear or hydro/air power..

        Dairy, eggs, etc have all gone up in price here because of the corn prices... Going towards e85 instead of livestock.
        ......yeah. shit happens. that's the best explanation i got.
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        • #34
          AaronGTR (boost lover).. do you believe everything you read? some sources are more credible than others. I'm sure you'll catch on.

          scott0999- thanks for chiming in with some hands-on experience.. I was trying to find more info on the 660 and e85 but hadn't had any luck.

          RedZMonte- I might be interested. shoot me a pm or an email with your price.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
            You mean like how they are trying to ban guns?
            WTF does this have to do with E85? just some random political comment????

            wow.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by scott0999 View Post
              WTF does this have to do with E85? just some random political comment????

              wow.
              Did you read what I quoted?

              wow...
              -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
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              92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
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              • #37
                Originally posted by bbeck View Post
                AaronGTR (boost lover).. do you believe everything you read? some sources are more credible than others. I'm sure you'll catch on.

                Credible sources? Are you serious? I'd be FAR more likely to believe what I read in a FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL for my car than listen to a bunch of douche bags from a forum for a totally different car. Sheesh.
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                • #38
                  In the thread linked by the OP to LS1 site it is stated quite clearly...
                  E85 requires 39% more fuel to reach stoich even if that is not what you may come up with when doing calculations based on the table below. This is because the injector flow is slightly different when using E85 among many other things I canīt really think of at this time (will be added at a later time).
                  So he states that you need 39% more fuel to run clean, stoich.
                  And then at the end...
                  So let me tell you guys about the fuel prices here in Sweden.
                  98 octane gasoline cost 12sek/L = $1.68/L = $6.36/gallon.
                  And 104 octane E85 cost 8sek/L = $1.12/L = $4.24/gallon.

                  Even that my car wants more fuel with E85 i still save money.
                  That is a difference of 35%... WTF... Looks to me to be a wash at best. Whatever, as soon as somebody 'knows' something they will kill themselves not to be wrong. E85 is a hoax for what it is being marketed for... does it have uses? Yes. Is it going to save the planet or have even a fart in the wind chance at reducing foreign oil dependancy? Hell no.
                  Last edited by carbon; 10-28-2009, 07:38 AM.
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                  • #39
                    It was stated years ago that due to the energy content a gallon of gasoline produces more miles than a gallon of ethanol in the same car. In other words you are effectively paying more per mile with ethanol tainted fuel. Given the nature of a capitalist society and the benefits to be had by the lobbyist due to the ignorance of our law makers about the subject and the way the stock market works under the influence of futures and derivatives, the true purpose of ethanol mixed fuel was probably long lost before it was put on the market.

                    If it were all it was cracked up to be you would think the EPA would not be as persistent as they are being with emmissions restrictions as the incorporation of ethanol would have made a big improvement right?

                    I imagine we all can gain some improvement with the new fuel over what stock specs can provide if we take advantage of the increased detonation resistance by increasing the compression ratio. Perhaps that has more to do with why the newer engines flex fuel or not are running higher static compression ratios instead of tech advances, because of the scarcity of pure gasoline.

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                    • #40
                      I am all for this E85 in the 60degree running a forced induction.
                      burns cleaner than all petro
                      cheap race gas
                      Most of our cars can handle it already handle it with minor changes.
                      less dependency on foreign.

                      I run E85 in my 89 Turbo Voyager.


                      There will be other ways in future other than corn. Brazil uses cane sugar for instance.


                      This sure beats the old days of Tetra-ethyl which is truly unsafe.
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