when i said that i dont necessarily intend to do this-i mean i dont necessarily intend to use a 3100 or 3400 at this point, i only ruled out the 3.5 because i figured those engines would cost me around $1k alone and that they are a huge jump from the 3.1 i know & love. i did some searching on ebay & ive found more than a few of the 3.5 vvts & if they will bolt up to the same transaxle as the 3100/3400s than i think that is the route i would like to take. 210 hp to start is pretty nice especially when compared with the 3.4 dohc that is only a slightly smaller engine but makes the same power-which really impresses me. im going to do some searching but im pretty sure that the 3.5 vvt is the engine id like to build. also, after a lot of deliberation ive decided that the car i want to build with this engine is an early 90's celica convertible. my first car was an 89 convertible, looked very similar to the 90-92's but not as cool & non of the body kits/aftermarket stuff would work for the 89, & ive always loved the way they looked, but hated the 4 cylinder-lack of torque. what do you guys think about this?
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your better off to use the 3.5L non vvt found in the malibu. The 3.5L vvt is the gen4 v6 essentially, where as the 3.5L non-vvt is still sorta gen 3 but slightly improved(better flowing intake setup and heads). The non-vvt engine has more after market including cams from wot-tech, potentially aftermarket rockers from scorpion, and a larger throttle bodies. Also there is a complete swap guide, which should help you get started.98 camaro swapping in lz9 th400 setup
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4.0L(after bore 3.917 and stroke 3.3485),carrillo sbc rods(narrowed),wiseco custom forged pistons 8.5:1 CR, TCE Double Roller timing chain, gen 3 cam, P&P heads, headers 1 3/4 primaries into 3-1 collector, and going to run ms2.
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Originally posted by no_doz View Postlol this would actually be with a 3100/3400 and it would be in a non-gm vehicle that is particularly light. i dont necessarily intend to do this-im just curious as to what it would take to make one of these into a high rev monster :P. also whats up with the aluminum rods on DD? i said aluminum because i wasnt sure whats best for strength/revs-i believe itd be forged but im too tired to look it up right now-i get off work here in 8 mins
heres the thread...
De-stroking a motor seems to be taboo to most on this thread, but it is a sure fire way safely increase your red-line without risking crank failure.Took a break from working on the car. Got some better tools, got a better shop, got a better job... Its time to burn metal!
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im still at a crossroads because im not sure whether or not i want to use the vvt or the non vvt-considering this would be put in a small, early-90's japanese car-im not worried about the major swap issues (as long as it will fit but i cant see why it wouldnt) & at this point i want to use either the g6 6 speed manual trans or the 07+ malibu's with the 6 speed auto-either way this will be a project completed over 3-6 months hopefully. itll be a while tho because i need to find me an early 90's celica convertible shell. i still have a few more questions before i decide whether to go 3.5 or 3.5 vvt.
power wise i noticed that the vvt is has like 15 more hp and 10 less ft/lbs of tq-is this just due to the cam? an how much more are these engines going to weigh than a 3100 or 3400 with all the trim? i figure since fueleconomy.gov rated my old celica that got great gas mileage at 23 city 29 hwy-whereas a stock untuned 3.5/3.5 vvt malibu that weighs 300lbs more gets 20 city & 29 highway-with a tune & some things like gasketmatching/porting/light flywheel & underdrive pulley set (considering i will be removing the AC regardless-as well as a good exhaust-i figure if i keep my foot out of it i should be able to get atleast as good of mileage as my old 4 cylinder 89 did-while having gobs more power & torque.
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and of course i forgot the main point or sticking an american made v6 in a small japanese convertible-which is of course that warm fuzzy feeling you get knowing that you have an american v6 with loads of torque under the hood, & not a japanese 4 cylinder weed-whacker engine
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To swap in the VVT and RETAIN the VVT, you will need to buy all of the harnesses and PCM/BCM, etc to make it work. If that's your goal, good luck on the 3-6 months...-Brad-
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ive decided against the 3.5 vvt because i want something thats still very similar to the 3100/3400 engines. considering the hp difference is only around 10 or so, the extra hassle/cost isnt worth it to me not to mention it might save me 200 bucks on an engine as well as parts availability.
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Originally posted by no_doz View Postive decided against the 3.5 vvt because i want something thats still very similar to the 3100/3400 engines. considering the hp difference is only around 10 or so, the extra hassle/cost isnt worth it to me not to mention it might save me 200 bucks on an engine as well as parts availability.Took a break from working on the car. Got some better tools, got a better shop, got a better job... Its time to burn metal!
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