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  • Since you asked...3400 f-body swap.

    I have been asked before, "What does one need to perform a 3400 swap into a fourth gen f-body?". At which point my advice would be to build 3.4l using 3400 internals and a 3500 top-end. A 3400 swap into an f-body is a real challenge. It takes more time, money and skill than most can facilitate.

    If you feel up to the challenge, then gather up the following.

    If your looking to swap in a Tremec TKO or Richmond 5 or 6 speed transmission, it requires a special lakewood bellhousing (that they no longer seem to make)
    If you want to use a t-5 5-speed, its possible to use a 3800 f-body style bellhousing and bearing plate. Youll need to have a special shim between the internal throw-out assembly to accomodate the difference in flywheel depth.

    Custom engine mounts with a minimal 1-1/2 inch drop to clear the 3400 intake mani. This is actuall not as hard as it sounds since the passenger side mounts still line up on two of the bolt holes needed to move the engine down 1-1/2 inch and back an additional 2inches.

    Custom engine harness since the sensors are in different spots. The stock harness is a waist of time to modify.

    stand alone ecm (megasquirt) since the cam since ring is different and un-usable.

    custom exhaust headers to accomodate the reversed starter position and custom y-pipe.

    A modified 3.4l "iron head" timing cover (you cant re-use the 3x00 style pump/timing cover unless you cut off the powersteering pump mount). This will allow you to reuse the stock accessory brackets.

    A 2.8l fiero style flywheel which is a direct bolt-on for this motor, and will allow the use of a 3x00 mini-starter. It will also accomodate the stock f-body 3.4l clutch and pressure plate. Its much lighter than the camaro stocker which is a plus. The draw-back is that it sits much furtherback fromthe realease bearing when mounted and will require a shimmed internal throw-out bearing assembly when used with the 3800 style bellhousing.

    And last, the crank will require that the pilot boss be "bored out" a bit for the t-5 pilot bearing.
    Took a break from working on the car. Got some better tools, got a better shop, got a better job... Its time to burn metal!

  • #2
    Any issues with oil pan clearance?
    MinusOne - 3100 - 4T60E
    '79 MGB - LZ9 - T5
    http://www.tcemotorsports.com
    http://www.britishcarconversions.com/lx9-conversion

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CNCguy View Post
      Any issues with oil pan clearance?
      Oh yeah! thanks for reminding me! ...ahem...

      You will also need a set of tubular k-members to clear the oil-pan. The oil-pan will have to be notched for the rack-n-pinion to fit properly.
      Took a break from working on the car. Got some better tools, got a better shop, got a better job... Its time to burn metal!

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      • #4
        hey man.... any way you could resize your sig pic? that sucker is huge! lol


        and thanks for posting this up.... it's really good info. i know a guy who is considering this, due to the better oiling and cam options of the 3400 block, but with all that work maybe i can get him to do it all with the 3.4 block instead...

        Cammed 3400 --> 224whp 210wtq
        Cammed 3500 --> ???
        1 of 5 3500 J-Bodies

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RedBird View Post
          hey man.... any way you could resize your sig pic? that sucker is huge! lol


          and thanks for posting this up.... it's really good info. i know a guy who is considering this, due to the better oiling and cam options of the 3400 block, but with all that work maybe i can get him to do it all with the 3.4 block instead...
          Well stated... If I had it to over again, I probably woulnd't have swapped a full 3400. Its a real pain in the ass. I believe that forced_firebid is making headway to make a painless swap kit.

          However I dont know for sure so dont quote me. I know that "60degree inclusive" may be developing a 3500 direct bolt-on "top-end" that is cleared to fit the 3.4l. stock pistons.

          P.S. I am perfectly computer iliterate. Ive got to have someone show me how to resize the image. Sorry for the huge pic.
          Took a break from working on the car. Got some better tools, got a better shop, got a better job... Its time to burn metal!

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          • #6
            Not really a "kit", just providing parts/info :P
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            • #7
              So how will you get around the 3500 oil pan when you swap that over? It uses a different oil pan that is not swappable between 3100/3400/3.4 RWD etc
              sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
              1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
              16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
              Original L82 Longblock
              with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
              Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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              • #8
                heres a really quick downsize. im sure someone else can fix it better but this was just a resize with no cutting off to make it look pretty
                Attached Files
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                99 Grand Am GT
                3400/3500 -Solid trans mount--TCE 65mm T-body---85mm LS2 maf---1 1/4' TCE intake spacers with 3400 upper--SLP Catback with flowmaster 80--TOG headers
                Modded 3400 lifters with LT1 springs---Comp Cams 26986 Springs
                1357 cam 227 233 .050 dur
                515 515 lift 112 lsa
                15.232@88.85mph on stock 3400---New time to come


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IsaacHayes View Post
                  So how will you get around the 3500 oil pan when you swap that over? It uses a different oil pan that is not swappable between 3100/3400/3.4 RWD etc
                  Ive never seen one in person before. Is it just the bolt-holes or are the over-all dimensions different? Is the sump any larger, smaller, any protruding bosses?

                  Heres a pic of my current pan and mounting position.
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                  Took a break from working on the car. Got some better tools, got a better shop, got a better job... Its time to burn metal!

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