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  • #76
    b. Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF) – Located in the air intake duct between the filter element and the throttle body, input from this sensor regulates the amount of fuel to be metered to each cylinder in an attempt to achieve the stoichiometric ratio. A derivative of the hot-wire anemometer (a heated wire cooled by the air passing over it), using a Wheatstone bridge and a variable-resistance heated element the MAF can produce a near-linear signal from which the mass flowrate of air is easily determined by the engine control module. The greater the mass flowrate of air over the sensor, the greater the voltage required to heat the wire element. The actual airflow measurement is likely the most important variable in determining the amount of fuel to be metered to the engine. Although this device is very accurate, it tends to be somewhat delicate and expensive.

    c. Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor (MAP) – Used on all “speed-density” systems (those not measuring airflow directly), this device measures the absolute pressure of air in the intake manifold using a silicon diaphragm strain sensor and the piezoresistivity phenomenon. The output of the MAP sensor is used in conjunction with intake manifold air temperature, engine displacement, RPM, exhaust gas recirculation amount and various constants to determine the amount of incoming combustion air and consequently the amount of fuel to be metered. Closed throttle plate would represent close to a vacuum in the intake manifold, whereas wide-open throttle should be near atmospheric pressure, the maximum intake manifold pressure for a normally aspirated engine.

    · Speed-density method used in MAP systems is described as follows:
    Recall that the mass flowrate of air is represented by the product of the air density and its volumetric flowrate. The instantaneous density is calculated by multiplying the density of air at standard conditions by the ratios of MAP and MAT data with respect to standard atmospheric conditions for temperature and pressure. The volume flow rate of air into the engine is simply the product of engine RPM and half of the displacement (it only draws one half the total engine displacement in one revolution under ideal conditions). Figure in corrections for exhaust gas recirculation and other small factors, and the mass flowrate of air into the intake manifold at any given instant is easily determined by the onboard engine computer.

    · Note: Some vehicles are equipped with both MAF and MAP systems, relying on MAF data unless a malfunction is encountered, whereupon the engine control module will default to the speed-density method.

    The dual systems also use MAP as an instantaneous BP sensor during the start up operation of an engine. Without the MAP sensor Barometric pressure is inferred into the ECM since there is nothing to actually measure it.

    Another use of the dual system is for transient fueling operations. MAF systems without a MAP sensor have no way of knowing what the actual pressure of the manifold is. For this reason manifold pressure again has to be inferred through a series of very sophisticated software. Even with the best of software, inference of manifold pressure is not exact. A MAP sensor in the system allows for actual measurements of manifold pressure to be used along with the actual air flow measurement of the MAF sensor.
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    • #77
      To Do List For my GA GT Engine Tune

      Change Tranny Fluid
      Change Spark plugs from TR7-IX to TR6-IX
      Install a new Belt and tighten the shit out of it
      Buy New Clamps for my S/C piping
      Already baught a MAF from superdave
      Install MAF after S/C before BOV right Guys

      Then take it to the DYNO and tune it.

      What am I missing guys

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      • #78
        So why aren't you running a MAF then? Perhaps when it fucks up your motor a 2nd time for the same reason you will learn?

        If you don't listen till it happens to you, I hope you never take up sky diving. "what happens if I don't do what the instructor told me to do...i bet I can be the first". splat. boom. same difference.
        Ben
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        • #79
          i didnt have a DYNo or my own Tuner software to experiment and C for myself it truely is almost imposible to tune with out a MAF
          It may be just as hard to tune a MAF in as well

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          • #80
            Just try it all out and tell us how it goes. That is all you are going to do anyway.
            Ben
            60DegreeV6.com
            WOT-Tech.com

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            • #81
              "Install MAF after S/C before BOV right Guys" WRONG

              The MAF needs to be after the BOV. So it reads the air that actually gets into the motor.
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              16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
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              • #82
                Originally posted by john_V63400 View Post
                Change Tranny Fluid
                Change Spark plugs from TR7-IX to TR6-IX
                Install a new Belt and tighten the shit out of it
                Buy New Clamps for my S/C piping
                Already baught a MAF from superdave
                Install MAF after S/C before BOV right Guys

                Then take it to the DYNO and tune it.

                What am I missing guys
                Wrong.....seriously you need to get the MAF installed and tune it the best you can on the street before you take it to the dyno. Do you have a wide band O2 because if not I recommend you get one before you go any further. The pretty light show A/F meter that you showed in your vid is pretty much worthless.

                And for future reference STOP starting 100 different threads, put all your questions in the same thread.
                2000 Grand Am GT
                2011 Chevy Impala

                "The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power." ~John Lingenfelter

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                • #83
                  That is so sweet lookin...

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                  • #84
                    Well I cant remeber everything in one thread.
                    Things come up
                    Zopi will delete them if he thinks thier worthless or no longer needed.
                    Or covered in another thread later on wich usualy happens.
                    Yeah I ment to say after the BOV, I have it saved. Duhh
                    lol, yeah my flashy A/F guag has saved me a couple of times though, but it is pretty much worthless.
                    I dont have a wideband sensor thingy.
                    Plus I dont know how to read and apply my histograms and charts to my tune properly so I still pay someone to do it, so I have to take it to the dyno shop

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                    • #85
                      thanks man

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by john_V63400 View Post
                        You never learn untill it happens to you spruce.
                        Like a kid eating too much candy, then gets cavities and tooth aches.
                        You dont listen till it happens to you. Then you gain experience from your own mistakes.
                        So instead of learning from my and others mistakes, your going to screw up just for the experience. I hope you enjoy wasting large sums of money for nothing, cause that's exactly what your doing.
                        Your local OBDII moderator

                        2000 Grand Am GT w/ WOT parts

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                        • #87
                          Definitely not happy bout loosing money, but I wanted to try and do it the other way, since no one has, an yet no one has tried it the MAF way either.
                          So I know its going to be hard to fit the MAF after the BOV have you seen my engine space, yeah its going to be hard.

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                          • #88
                            Intercool it, then you'll have lots of places to put the MAF.
                            2006 G6 GTP MT6
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                            • #89
                              Yeah ntercooler is an option. Expensive but an option

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                              • #90
                                it's standard on most cars with
                                forced induction here in europe.

                                in my opinion a boosted engine needs an intercooler
                                unless your only at 5psi or so....
                                nothing's impossible-it's just a mindset

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