Hybrid still not running right:(

[Syn]

thanks its been a real busy week since the 4th is around the corner been out with the woman instead of working on the car.

i gotta thanks everyone again, because i am mainly on v6z24.com and they have no idea to help, i am maken the transition over to here more

but sunday i should be able to work on it.

i am gonna put the new plugs in and o2 hook up the narrowband and see how she reads.

and i'll take her for a drive too

[IsaacHayes]

I've been working on the car instead of going to the gym. No women for me
Going today though. Then I'm going out to the clubs.. Sunday I'll probably paint the 3500/3400 stuff and get vacuum lines. I need to replace my lines on my vacuum tank, batery acid ate them years ago and I put them together in peices with aquairum air hose.. hehe it's held up but it's ghetto looking. I'll check back in sunday and see how you're doing. Hopefully it's something that's simple and not that your tune is way off.

[Syn]

ok today i had a few hours to do my exhaust and got that done, didn't have time to go get the plugs and o2, BUT, i hooked up my nb gauge and it read lean at idle sometimes it would be at the last red bar on lean and when i'd rev it it would go full stoich not even rich. i pulled the same plug and the whole tip was white/ashy looking. so i might try the 19lbers and see how that goes. i am gonna agree with you guys saying its prolly a injector because one, i can't pinpoint makes a humming noise, but i think its the same cyclinder thats lean.

steady at 2k it would bouch to full stoich and down to lean, which would seem somewhat normal from what i seen on my other car

then i'd let off and it wouldn't even read but maybe one bar in the lean

oh yeah isaac theres not way i'd ditch the gym to go work on the car lol, thats a everyday thing for me. its the weekend as well so i work a lil bit in the morning if i can function and at night drink a lil bit a the partys.

enjoy your weekend guys

[IsaacHayes]

Hmm yeah I'd try some different injectors. Also if one is running lean, and the O2 is functioning, the computer will up the fuel to fix it, but since the other injectors are firing fine, then they go way rich. Then the computer leans it back out, and the cycle continues. So you get all kinds of problems when it's fighting itself like that. Maybe that's why your gauge was bouncing back and forth too.

You go everyday? I go every other day so my muscles have time to heal so they rip in new spots.. mornings are hard for me on weekends to go work out since I usualy party till the wee hours. And the gym closes early on weekends hollidays so I'll be making due with what I have in the basement. I'm thinking about cutting back on drinking on the weekends since it takes so much to get buzzed anymore it really doesn't do anything for me. And I'm sure my body doesn't like it. lol.

[Syn]

good point i was thinking about something like that but couldn't put it down in words lol, well does anyone got a part # or anything so i can get the oversized o-rings?

i train a diff muscle group everyday been trainging like this for 5 years now with somewhat decent results i guess, what you think for a 19yr old

how long you been train and ect? i've posted pics of myself on here before actually lol heres a recent one , i look small i think for soem reason in this one sorry i am hijacking my own thread kinda



the drinking part sucks too i drank a whole 5th of captin on saturday in about 2 hours and was still functional in everyway, not pissed drunk dizzy or ne thing it was wierd.

[IsaacHayes]

You are a lot bigger framed than me. I only weigh 150 now, but look the same overall size as some of my friends, yet I've got waaay more muscle because I have small bones. It's kind of weird when I can lift a lot more than some guy like twice my size. I hear ya about drinking. Funny, friday night I had a little over 1/2 of a bottle of captain morgan private stock (not sure if it's a 5th, different shaped bottle) ridding in my buddy's car down to the lake of the ozarks before we went to the night club. I don't weigh much but sure do have a tolerance.

I haven't been going to the gym much at all lately. I need to pick back up , as I miss it. I need to work on my legs hard. And my biceps, they lack compared to everything for some reason. They actually respond better to light weight more reps, which is odd as I do 8-10 reps massive weight on everything else and it bulks well. I only started maybe 1.5 years ago, or 1.5 years of consistant lifting at least twice a week. I did it because I'm too light weight and can't gain fat, so I figured might as well get strong and weigh more that way!! I sooo should of started when I was your age. I think I'm 5'-11"? Hell I don't know. Most people think I weigh 180. Once I do I will be huge lol. I'm not even going to say how much I weighed before I started lifting... hah. Maybe that's why my car seems so fast, I don't weigh nuttin!! I'd say you're doing well. Right now you're in your peak to build muscle keep it up you'll be a monster! I work muscles that most people don't (mainly shoulder/neck stuff) and it makes me look a lot more "mean" than just building the basic muscles. The small muscles can look huge if you work them since no one really does those and when they grow they get noticed because people aren't used to seeing them big. They hurt a lot more just when lifting too maybe that's why people don't do it. And then you wake up with a horrible tension neck ache. Oh well. We should start a discussion in the cafe or meet in chat sometime and discuss what our various routines/techniques are.

Only pic I have of me is crappy, I took it when I had a borrowed camera and had a fever. Took it looking into a mirror. And no, I'm not standing up... I'm not that short!! lol. Pic.

back on topic...

As for the o-rings, just take the injector with you to the store, along with the stock GM oring, and just match and size them up, or get ones a little bigger until it looks like it's not going to slip off, and bulges enough outwards to seal. Just go to o-reilly auto parts or another store; they have a tray they will pull out and you figure out what you need. There are different ID, and OD, and thicknesses.

[Syn]

yeah if you got aim or myspace even let me know, i weigh only 200-205, started at 150-160

the only part stores around here is basically autozone and murray's and everyone there is completely uneducated in the automotive field so its like me asking a 5 yr old to do some calculus

thanks again i'll see what i can come up with lol

[Syn]

ok i did some quick messing with the car since its the 4th and i am about to head to the beach now, i measured the reisitance of the ford 4.6 crown vic injectors they were all 14.5, the 3.1's all measured at 12.2, the harness that plugs into the injectors measured 6.5 at each plug in.

idk what specs are so maybe someone can help me out

also
i pullled all the sparkplugs and like they all broke haha but according to this

http://www.autolite.com/pdf/PlugTips.pdf

its kinda a mixture of a few

the ring by the threads has carbon on it and smells like gas but its not wet, the inside of the ring where the spark come out one side is white and the other is black, and the tip looks like #5 but these plugs arn't old i bought them a few weeks ago

i have them gapped at .060 as i was told so

now for the ac delco's i am told i need platinum, and at autozone they have 2 kinds 4 dollars and 7dollars WTF!

[IsaacHayes]

You don't need the platinums. Get the normal AC delco. R44LTSM6 I think is the right part number. (std plug for my 3100) I'd first get it tuned and running better though so you don't foul the new ac delcos. I think later 3400 switched to platinum, but you'll need double sided the way our ignition works which is costly. You don't need a long lasting plug anyways as this isn't a daily driver...

Your injectors may measure ok in Ohms, but they may be clogged or mess up when fired. Slap some ones in there the same or a little bigger lb/hr than your stock with some good o-rings and see what your AF gauge reads next... Get those fords back in there and see what happens.

[FallenZ24]

Are you looking at the electrode or the metal (hook) piece? On that guide, #5 is more looking at the electrod. You see how it is worn down. While the hook piece is white and covered with ash type deposites.

If your plugs have white deposits on the hook and electrode, you are lean. Very lean. Do not run it.

Get plugs for a (90-94) 3.1L engine. They are just regular plugs. Don't run platinum, they are crap in our cars.

I say put those Fords in and see how it does. Then pull the plugs/ datalog/ whatever you need to do. Rich is always better than lean.

-Joseph

[Syn]

ok good to know i was told i needed platinums by a obviously 3400 swapped car not a hybrid or anythign.

thanks issac on the p/n

i figure with the ford injectors i should be fine if its rich at idle i am sure curisen it will be good.

i'll have everything done this weekend

[IsaacHayes]

I wouldn't even run platniums in a new 3400 equiped car. Normal plugs are fine with me. Get that A/F mounted in the cabin or at least so you can read it while driving. That way you can at least see if you are in the safe zone. Won't help you tune it perfectly, but you can see if you are rich/lean at least. Let us know if it is less lean with the fords.

[Syn]

ok got the ford injectors in and the plenum back on, now my map sensor has never been mounted because i can't figure out how to mount it, so can someone clue me in lol i feel stupid or maybe its different because i have the van 3400 plenum?

[Syn]

Are you looking at the electrode or the metal (hook) piece? On that guide, #5 is more looking at the electrod. You see how it is worn down. While the hook piece is white and covered with ash type deposites.

-Joseph

yeah the electrode is fine mybad, but the hook is ashy, but the electrod has some carbon on it as well

[IsaacHayes]

Ok I'll try to explain it from what I remember how mine goes on. The bracket bolts onto the plenum with those to large holes facing towards the front of the car, with the hole and bottom facing down. The map nippe goes through that hole and connects to a rubber T, one part goes into the manifold for the MAP, and from that T it goes to the FPR.

The two small holes there is 2 screws that go through the MAP and into the braket holding it in. You have to put either the bracket on the MAP first, or the bracket on the plenum first. I can't remember which order.

I'm not sure but your MAP looks like a mirror image or like the nipple is on the wrong end to work right. Perhaps your MAP is a 3.1l map and on gen3 they switched the nipple side to work for the bracket?? Or I just can't remember how it goes together! lol. You could always drill a hole in the bracket if you had to no biggie.

I'll look outside at my car in a minute when I go out to paint my 3500 plenum and edit the post if I find out different. Look at my avatar, that's how my motor will look!! woo hoo!