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  • 3400 cooling (or lack there of) death

    This is about my buddy's 1999 Grand Am GT with a 3400.

    he was having coolant leak out of his water pump bearing so he changed it, and only put about a half gallon of coolant in it (to fill the tank), and drove it to work the next day.. (brillant, I know)

    Well it over heated twice on the way to work, and I told him to burp the system and keep adding antifreeze to the system until it wouldn't take any more.

    it was fine and he drove it home. the next day it overheated again, so he put a new thermostat in it, filled it, and the next day it overheated again after about 4 miles of running.

    Meanwhile, he is adding the green coolant to the dexcool crap. So, I said, you probably have something plugged in his system (ie dexcool vs green sludge) so we drained it, and filled it up with all water (per the coolant flush instruction) and run it for a few minutes.. ran it up the road for like a 1/2 mi and it over heated started to run crappy (also turned the SES light on too?), and I saw white water vapor coming out the tail pipe, so we shut her down after getting it cooled down a bit by hosing down the radiator.

    So, after it cooled down, we fired it up to pull it into the garage, and to my surprise, no white smoke, but it was running crappy.

    So, I am thinking when he overheated it the first time, he put a small crack in the head, and it (the crack) just keeps getting bigger? If it was the head gasket, it wouldn't all go back to normal when it cooled off, would it?

    There is no coolant/water mix on the dip stick, but there is a little water build up on the oil filler tube.

    we also verified that the thermostat is working; pulled the hose off of the output and water was coming out.. Also, while this is happening, no head was coming out of the heater..

    So, new head, new motor, or new head gasket?
    \'94 grand am gt

  • #2
    RE: 3400 cooling (or lack there of) death

    Get a pressure test setup and see if you have a problem. Also do a compression check. Sure beats guessing.
    Ben
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    • #3
      did he use a new water pump or what?

      is the belt routed correctly? i know it sounds stupid, but i have seen some odd shit before.

      if the coolent was burning off into the exhaust like you said, then he has probably done one or more of the following when he over heated as many times as he did....

      blew a head gasket
      warped the head
      melted the lower intake gasket causing a leak

      do the compression test as stated before

      how far up did the temp gauge go up to?

      how many gallons have you put in so far? and are you guys 100% sure you got ALL of the air out of the line? because air in the line will cause a no heat from the heater problem like you stated.

      if this "leak" is as bad as you say it is, there should not be any issues finding it.

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      • #4
        yeah, we've put 2 water pumps on it one reman and one new.. The belt is correct, that is the first thing I checked- plus it was pumping coolant out when I pulled the hose.

        the temp gauge was up far enough that the warning thing came on..
        \'94 grand am gt

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        • #5
          oddly enough i had a buddy of mine call me today with the exact same symptoms.

          he had some issues a while back with low coolant and filled it up with all water. maybe like 25% coolant. so we are gonna flush it and see what happens

          i will let you know what we find out on Weds

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          • #6
            My bud got to do a compression test on the front 3 cylinders... he said 150+ psi on all of the front ones.

            he couldn't really get to the back three.. does the new body grand ams have motor mounts that let the engine tilt forward? my '94 does after you unbolt the passenger side motor mount- he said his passenger side mount was unbolted, and it still wouldn't tilt?
            \'94 grand am gt

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            • #7
              Well, the back cylinder had 220 psi on it, and antifreeze squirted out of the compression tester.. so I am guessing something is broken. the rest were ~150psi

              any easy way to tell if the head is cracked or warped, or if the gasket just blew?

              also, any hints on pulling the head????????/
              \'94 grand am gt

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              • #8
                id say pull the head you may get lucky and just have to change the gasket
                when you pull the head make sure you look for a spot that you think might be the problem
                if you cant find anything visually wrong with the affected cylinder or head
                make sure the head is still square with a straghtline and feelr gauge
                compare the measurements to factory tolerances
                and i would have a professional inspect the head to double check
                if the head is cool then change the gasket other wise new head time
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