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  • Getting DTC codes and idling up and down.

    I have a 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme International with a 2.8 MFI motor.
    The car has about 140,000 kilometers and I getting the idle to fluctuate up and down from 600 to 1100 in Park or in Drive with the brakes on.

    Things that I replaced was A/C Delco Mass air flow, A/C Delco MAP sensor, and a Standard Engine Coolant sensor.

    I have tested the TPS sensor and get 0.4 volts closed and 4.4 volts opened.

    Jumping the ALDL connector i get

    CODE 34

    Trouble Code 34 indicates that the Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor is detecting unusually high vacuum in the manifold. Code 34 will get set when:

    * Engine RPM less than 700.
    * Manifold pressure reading less than 13 kPa.
    * Conditions met for .22 second.


    OR
    * Engine RPM greater than 700.
    * Throttle angle over 20%.
    * Manifold pressure less than 13 kPa.
    * Conditions met for .22 second.

    Possible causes include:

    1. Faulty MAP-to-ECM connection
    2. Defective MAP sensor
    3. Defective ECM

    Check the shop manual for details on vehicle specific MAP sensor applications.

    CODE 45

    Trouble Code 45 indicates that the O2 sensor is showing a persistently low exhaust oxygen content (rich), despite the efforts of the ECM to decrease injector on-time (thus decreasing fuel delivered). Integrator and BLM numbers may indicate < 128 by a substantial margin.

    Code 45 is set when:

    * O2 sensor voltage remains above .7 volt for 50 seconds
    * engine has been running for 1 minute or more
    * throttle is between 3 and 45 percent open
    * system is running "Closed Loop"

    Possible causes include:

    1. O2 sensor defective or contaminated (if incorrect RTV sealant or too much RTV is used, this may happen)
    2. Leaking fuel injectors
    3. Fuel pressure too high
    4. EMI interference from poor plug wires
    5. Evaporative Emission system defect
    6. TPS and/or EGR problem

    Note: Presence of Code(s) 33 and/or 34 may indicate MAP problem. This should be the first suspect in the case of a Code 45 being set.

    CODE 54

    Trouble Code 54 indicates a low voltage at the fuel pump. If the voltage at terminal "A20" is less than 4 volts for .4 seconds since the last reference pulse was received, the code will be set.

    Possible causes include:

    1. Faulty fuel pump relay.
    2. Faulty connection at ECM.
    3. Faulty oil pressure switch.
    4. Faulty ECM.

  • #2
    code 34 could be vacuum leak going to the map sensor... maybe a cracked vaccum tube coming from your fuel regulator.

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    • #3
      thanks for the info.
      now how do you reset the ECM without disconnecting the main battery? There is an aftermarket alarm and last time i did it the siren and car horn went off.

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      • #4
        im pretty sure you have to unhook the battery.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 3XTurboAgain View Post
          im pretty sure you have to unhook the battery.
          okay will do the battery unhook

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cutlass supreme FE3 View Post
            okay will do the battery unhook
            I always just pull the ECM fuse beside the fuel pump relay for 15 seconds...
            -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
            91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
            92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
            94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
            Originally posted by Jay Leno
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            • #7
              Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
              I always just pull the ECM fuse beside the fuel pump relay for 15 seconds...
              i'll give your method a shot.

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              • #8
                it works and now i only get code 54

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cutlass supreme FE3 View Post
                  i'll give your method a shot.
                  I prefer it so I don't have to set the clock and all the other options in my stereo after clearing the ECM.

                  Maybe this post on yahoo answers will help:

                  The search engine that helps you find exactly what you're looking for. Find the most relevant information, video, images, and answers from all across the Web.
                  -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
                  91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
                  92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
                  94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
                  Originally posted by Jay Leno
                  Tires are cheap clutches...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
                    I prefer it so I don't have to set the clock and all the other options in my stereo after clearing the ECM.

                    Maybe this post on yahoo answers will help:

                    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6153042AAAXVQp
                    thanks for the links.

                    the article noted that it can be either the fuel pump relay or the oil pressure switch.
                    I know where the relay is but do you have a picture where the oil pressure switch is? it states between the two cylinderhead valley underneath the thermostat?? I have the digital dash with the oil pressure gauge so do i have a two wire or three wire switch?
                    thanks in advance
                    Last edited by cutlass supreme FE3; 11-21-2008, 11:09 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I'm not familiar with the 2.8, so someone else is going to have to chime in on this one. I know on my DOHC it is above the oil filter FWIW.
                      -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
                      91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
                      92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
                      94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
                      Originally posted by Jay Leno
                      Tires are cheap clutches...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pocket-rocket View Post
                        I'm not familiar with the 2.8, so someone else is going to have to chime in on this one. I know on my DOHC it is above the oil filter FWIW.
                        I will take some pictures tomorrow and hopefully any member can confirm if this is the switch or not.

                        cheers

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                        • #13
                          okay guys,
                          I checked it and found the oil pressure switch to be right besides the oil filter,
                          The thing that I found odd was the switch only has one wire. so how does the switch with one terminal supply power to the fuel pump??

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                          • #14
                            You may be looking at the knock sensor, not the oil pressure sensor. The OPSU should have at least 2 wires and it "controls" the fuel pump via a relay.

                            Last edited by bszopi; 11-22-2008, 06:38 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bszopi View Post
                              You may be looking at the knock sensor, not the oil pressure sensor. The OPSU should have at least 2 wires and it "controls" the fuel pump via a relay.

                              could there be like two OPSUs??
                              auto parts asked if i had a gauge or only light in the dash and gave me the one terminal OPSU since I have a gauge in my digital cluster.
                              there is supposed to be a two pin and three pin versions of the OPSU as well.

                              here is the OPSU right side of the green oil filter. You can see there is only one tan wire which I think goes to the instrument cluster gauge.


                              Last edited by cutlass supreme FE3; 11-23-2008, 10:08 AM.

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