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    So I bought an '88 Beretta GT a few months back that had been sitting for awhile, but the engine is a '90 3.1L MPFI with only a little over 2,000 miles on a COMPLETE rebuild and all new externals/internals and accessories. Guy I bought it from had the receipts to prove it and you can tell. Shortly after getting it and changing the oil, etc. I started DD'ing it. It ran fine for a week or two then one day just shot up to almost full hot. I pulled over let it cool, checked it out. Fan was working, t-stat acted stuck. Put a new 195* T-stat in it, same issues. Running warm though not full hot. Maybe 3/4 of the way up the temp gauge. So I flushed the sytem.....TWICE. Radiator is new, t-stat is new, oil change is fresh, hoses are new, I replaced the water pump with a brand new one. Heater core is good to go as well. Heat and A/C work great , no leaks or clogs. I even hosed out the fins on the condensor and radiator, just in case. Now I haven't pulled the rad and done a reverse flush with a garden hose. Short of that and pulling the heads I'm at a loss. No oil in my coolant or vice versa. I have burped it several times and seen bubbles coming into the overflow almost every time. I'm starting to wonder if it's a headgasked compression leak.
    NOW....here's the rub. The faster I go , the more air gets pushed over the Rad, the faster it should cool right? Wrong. Not with this car. The faster I go , the HOTTER it gets. Slowing down to under 45 MPH or under cools it down. With this in mind, and the fact that the last two weeks I'm noticing after the engine is warmed up my Oil Pressure is dropping to zero at idle in gear, I'm starting to lean towards a weak oil pump. My pressure is good cold, and as soon as I hit the gas AT ALL when it's warmed up , say from a stop light, the oil pressure jumps right back up. I had thought a bad sending unit as it randomly pegs full out for no reason , stays and then goes back to working. I'm thinking weak oil pump because if not enough oil is getting to the lubricated components, then going faster resulting in higher operating temps makes sense. I think I'll put a high flow in it. 20% more flow than stock. Also, I pulled my PCV filter and I see very little oil flowing through the valve covers. I've stopped driving the car until I get the pump replaced at the least.
    I should note I started running a solid grill just before the first incident. I took it out and started running an 'egg crate' Beretta grill which is basically the same as no grill because it lets TONS of air through.
    I need some help here guys. Don't know if you would need it, but here's a shot of the engine bay. 2.8 Upper Plenum on a 3.1L. Guy I bought it from said he did that for a "sleeper" effect,lol. But I ran the block casting ,head and LIM numbers. They all came back to a '90 3.1L.
    Last edited by SuzukiGhostRider; 06-23-2008, 06:39 AM.

  • #2
    maybe your belt is slipping on the water pump pully

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    • #3
      Originally posted by caviz24 View Post
      maybe your belt is slipping on the water pump pully
      One of the first things I thought of and checked. It came to mind because I have a UDP installed and thought maybe the belt was sized a tad too big. Fits snugly though and turns beautifully. Thx for the reply though.

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      • #4
        Do you get a lot of air bubbles coming up out of the radiator at idle? The last couple V6 head gasket jobs I have done did this. I couldn't keep coolant in it at idle with the cap off because the compression was leaking into the coolant system, displacing the coolant. Go to Autozone (as much as I hate telling people this >.<) and rent a coolant system pressure checker. It's a hand pump with a gauge, hose, and radiator cap hook-up. Put it on your car, pump it up and see if it holds pressure or leaks. If the leak is bad enough and I know all the system components are good, I will really up the pressure to see if I can hear/see where the leak is coming from.
        -60v6's 2nd Jon M.
        91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
        92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
        94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
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        • #5
          Yea, Pocket Rocket. That's my concern. I've bled the system SEVERAL times at idle with the res cap off and consistently get bubbles. I am really thinking I have a compression leak. I'll do the suggested tests and let you all know. Thx for the reply.

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          • #6
            It wont be the oil pump causing the overheat. There is something wrong with the cooling system. Have you changed the rad cap? Maybe it is not building any system pressure. And definitely do a system pressure test to check for leaks.
            1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
            1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
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            • #7
              Check the upper and lower radiator hoses. one or the other could be collapsing during higher RPM's, stopping the coolant flow. Most lower hoses will have an internal wound spring that keeps the hose from collapse. The lower hose is the supply hose, and is the most likely hose to collapse due to the waterpump pulling more water as the RPM's rise.

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              • #8
                Several good suggestions, ty all very much. I will put them to the test and let you know how it works out.

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