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    well, had the first mechanical failure on my '99 3400. Lifter started to collapse, was bleeding off after a cold soak, and sounded absolutely horrible upon startup, at least until it got itself pumped up. Sad part about these 60* motors, everything being so packed together, I couldn't distinguish which lifter was actually bad. Didn't matter much anyhow, as I planned on replacing the whole set (still haven't saved enough for the cam and tuner yet, either ). So, I tore the whole buggar down, and tried to pinpoint it based on a loose rocker/pushrod - still didn't work, cause the valve train in these motors is so friggin tight off the go . . . so I HAD to tear down to the lifters themself. Even still, it took me about 15min of staring at the lifters to finally see which one was bad. IN. #4. The top of the lifter was recessed about .010" from the retainer clip. Barely noticeable, honestly.

    Anyhow, at 180k miles of torturous abuse, it was bound to have a failure sooner or later! Luckily, all the pushrods are still legit, rockers are still tight and not comping apart - the cam lobes looked really great. I was a little peeved about the amount of carbon buildup in the motor, considering I change out the oil every 3k with Castrol 5W-30 half-synthetic blend. Also really peeved that it's only been a year since the LIM gasket dumped - so I had to replace all the gaskets again. A little more peeved that I spent $189 for 12 lifters (Sealed Power units through CarQuest) - the GM units would've run me $225 for the set. And still saving to replace the cam, get a tuner, new rockers, and now I need a whole nother LIM gasket set seeing as how I just used the one I had laying around, and I still have port work to finish up on my spare manifolds - arrgghh! Oh well, it'll all get done sooner or later, y'know?

    Oh, and the weekend right before this, I was up in NJ (6 hours from where I live) - made a trip to Frackville, PA and back to NJ (about 4 hours roundtrip), and put close to 1k miles on the car. Thank god it decided to wait until back home to crap out - I woulda been SOL having to pay for another shop to fix it.

    Too bad I didn't have my camera to take pics of it, kinda odd too, in that there was no debris or carbon flakes inside the lifter - she just crapped from abuse and old age.
    N-body enthusiast:
    {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
    {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

    Current Project:
    {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

  • #2
    Don't feel too bad, most people would have continued to drive the motor in that condition for another 100k miles!

    I have one lifter that's noisy too. I picked up a new set from ebay, this one guy has a surplus of them and got them for $60 shipped.
    Brian

    '95 Cutlass Supreme- "The Rig"
    3400 SFI V6, 4T60e
    Comp Cam grind, LS6 valve springs, OBD2 swap, Tuned
    2.5" DP/ 2.5" dual exh/ Magnaflow Cat/ crap mufflers/ 3500 Intake manifold/ 65mm TB
    TGP steering Rack/ 34mm Sway Bar/Vert STB/ KYB GR2's

    '08 Chevy Trailblazer SWB 1LT "Smart Package"- LH6 5.3L V8/4L60e, A4WD

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    • #3
      Don't feel too bad, most people would have continued to drive the motor in that condition for another 100k miles!

      I know it, that's the sad part! But, you woulda have to have been deaf to not hear that tinging noise from under hood ! I'm just glad she didn't flagpole a lifter and cause more damage.

      I have one lifter that's noisy too. I picked up a new set from ebay, this one guy has a surplus of them and got them for $60 shipped.
      that ain't that bad . . . but I'd be curious as to what brand it is, y'know?
      N-body enthusiast:
      {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
      {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

      Current Project:
      {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

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      • #4
        You dont get carbon from not changing the oil. Gasoline is (theoretically) carbon and water. You get carbon deposits from running crappy gas or backfiring a lot, or just a lot of miles. Do a top engine cleaner on it. Well, since you have it apart already, just get some brake clean and a few good rags. Sorry to hear about your bad luck but it opens the door to a nice rebuild maybe, and possible a stroker kit :-D

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        • #5
          no goin - motor's been back together

          the oil and filter is changed every 3k, no matter what. I only run Amoco premium gasoline, and if a 3400 motor is backfiring - you've got a major problem! I have no carbon buildup in the intake manifolds or runners (ex is a different story, but ain't none of us can fix that!), trust me, I do my best to keep this motor clean, and being able to pull 31mpg going to and from NJ - not bad for a 3200lb, pushrod v6 powered car. Most DOHC imports can't even pull that kind of mileage off straight off the dealer's lot.

          As far as the oil goes, though, the detergents found in half-synthetic/synthetic blends is designed to hold onto small bits of dirt, debris, etc, so that the filter can remove it. Hard carbon forms from those bits of junk that get deposited in nooks and crannies and otherwise, and mixing with air, heat, and moisture causes it to start caking up.

          Asides, even for as small an amount of carbon buildup inside the motor as there was, there were no hard clumps of carbon, only small flakes along the valley walls, and in the valley itself. If there was a lot of carbon build-up, I would've gone the extent of carefully vacuuming it out with a shop vac, I'd never take a shop rag with brakekleen to it, too much of a chance that something would break free and fall towards the pan, and possibly end up somewhere that it could plug something up or otherwise.

          With newer motors, I even advise against using any kind of cleaning detergent, even against the old-tried-and-true methods of tranny fluid or kerosene. There's too many painted surfaces on the inside of the motor nowadays, and most cleaners will break that paint away from it's metal surface, and paint coming off in sheets can turn into a major headache!
          N-body enthusiast:
          {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
          {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

          Current Project:
          {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

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          • #6
            Oh, I didn't know the motor was in the car still . Well, looks like you have it under control, it happens to the best of us!

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            • #7
              yeah - just a ton of mileage. 180k with no mechanical issues until now (I don't really consider the LIM gasket going bad as a mechanical failure), something was bound to be worn out.
              N-body enthusiast:
              {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
              {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

              Current Project:
              {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

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              • #8
                Originally posted by prophiseer View Post
                I know it, that's the sad part! But, you woulda have to have been deaf to not hear that tinging noise from under hood ! I'm just glad she didn't flagpole a lifter and cause more damage.



                that ain't that bad . . . but I'd be curious as to what brand it is, y'know?
                Supposedly GM ones, I don't know for certain as there's no real way to ID them.
                Brian

                '95 Cutlass Supreme- "The Rig"
                3400 SFI V6, 4T60e
                Comp Cam grind, LS6 valve springs, OBD2 swap, Tuned
                2.5" DP/ 2.5" dual exh/ Magnaflow Cat/ crap mufflers/ 3500 Intake manifold/ 65mm TB
                TGP steering Rack/ 34mm Sway Bar/Vert STB/ KYB GR2's

                '08 Chevy Trailblazer SWB 1LT "Smart Package"- LH6 5.3L V8/4L60e, A4WD

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