Best 3400/3500 site for modification

[SappySE107]

I have never ordered a part from WOT-Tech so I guess I do not have much to compare with. I have personally seen some of Ben's (WOT-Tech) port work and it is excellent...but I do think that some of his numbers are a bit...played up.

Which numbers?

You compare price, but you are also implying that my ported manifolds are the same as MMS ported manifolds. They are not. One company uses a flowbench to research their design, and the other outsources for flow numbers after the parts are done. If you believe that guessing is as good as research, then shop by price.

[HOYS]

http://60degreev6.com/forum/showthread.php/46701-Comparing-port-work-and-results?p=425274

These numbers. You only use your numbers from your flow bench and do not publish the numbers that have been seen on somebody else's bench or go to an independent shop to get numbers. I don't like that approach to business, some might be cool with it or just not care.

Your argument for the part quality being different is hard to follow. I'm guessing you used a flow bench to research your design but then another company used somebody else's flow bench to get numbers after they completed the work? So if you don't do everything in-house then your company is bad? Outsourcing to a third party to get unbiased numbers is bad?

To date I have not seen any "numbers" from either side of the porting intake argument as to which flow better or which are better. All I have seen are pictures of work done by one company or the other saying "HEY LOOK AT THIS"... Nothing solid there.

I'd rather quit the silly argument over this (since it has cropped up between you and I frequently) and just support the users of the site. I tried to post some valuable information for the OP of this thread but it got hijacked by this stupid argument. In all honesty, one of the main reasons I would order parts from MMS over WOT is that I have seen quality first hand from him on just about every project. If I was around WOT's business all of the time, my opinion might be different, who knows. All that I know is that I have seen quality from both companies and would do business with either in a heartbeat.

Also, for OP: If you are swapping the 3500 into the Impala, Mike from MMS has lots of experience personally doing these kinds of swaps in his shop and has a vast amount of experience with the W-Body platform.

[SappySE107]

I used a flowbench to design my parts for the 60V6 engines. MMS did not. That is really all there is to it. Over 1300 flowbench tests for 60V6 engines since I started in 2004. If you believe guessing is going to produce better results than 1300 flowbench tests for these engines, then there really isn't anything I could possibly say to you to convince you otherwise. I will simply have to rely on the results of my customers.

Telling me my numbers are biased is basically calling me a liar.

[Jonpro03]

but I do think that some of his numbers are a bit...played up.

LOL, You're saying that his numbers are so good that you don't think it's possible.

[pocket-rocket]

I've seen both companies products side by side. Head porting, ported manifolds... Even to the untrained eye there was a big quality difference, even to someone who isn't a pushrod guy. Heck, my wife would have been able to tell which were better and more consistent port to port, and all she cares about in a car is that it gets her from point A to point B. I know for a fact Ben spends about 80% of his waking moments at home working on 60v6 stuff. If he says this part flows this and that part flows that, I'm going to take it to the bank. I know Ben on a personal level and he isn't one to exaggerate anything, even to make his own company look better than the competition. He should be called more of an extremest than an enthusiast considering the small amount of people in the market he caters to, and it's because he has a love for these engines, not the love to make tons of money.

[HOYS]

LOL, You're saying that his numbers are so good that you don't think it's possible.

No. Read my post please.

I wonder if OP is still around...

[Dallas3400]

Yup still here. Just spectating the debate. I will most likely purchase from both companies. Both offer items that the other does not.

I appreciate the intense debate. Really brings out good answers

[Jonpro03]

No. Read my post please.

I wonder if OP is still around...

You must have missed the LOL at the beginning of my reply! Sarcasm is implied!