3800 Vs 3400/3500

[Guest]

Do you idiots who think the 3800 and its systems are out of date actually KNOW anything about it?

If you get into the engine, you would realize there are actually some fairly advanced technologies contained in it. There are knock retard sensors incorporated into the engine which detect pre-combustion before it happens, and the system then compensates by retarding the engine so you don't have combustion on the piston up-stroke. Unless you want that of course..... You can easily diminsh the knock by adding a simple intercooler which both Thrasher, and Intense-Racing offer.

Did you know that iron heads aren't bad? Think about it.. What is stronger, and longer lasting? Iron, or Aluminium... A simple lesson in chemistry would teach you that iron, is the stronger and longer lasting of the two.

This might come as a HUGE shocker to you, but did you know you can buy titanium teflon coated pistons? Man thats crazy isn't it! Did you also know you can get teflon coated heads? OH MY GOD! Did you know that teflon on teflon is said to have less friction than ice on ice? Take a breath, so your brains don't overload now... But i'm guessing your aluminum heads are better than that. And stronger then titanium, even though titanium is one of the strongest know metals on this planet...

Our 3800 has been driven into the ground since day one, and its still runs strong as hell at 160,000km's and doesn't burn a drop of oil. The 3800 wasn't designed as a cheap, compact, light, short-term engine unlike some others i can mention
It's built to be ABUSED throughout its life, and it takes it, and LASTS.

Would you shut your hole about the supercharger being a "power adder" too? We know a supercharger is a power adder you mofo... Unless there are some people in here that think its designed to heat your speakers.. (Wouldn't surprise me in here!!) Your rediculous engine is DOHC, which the 3800 is not. So if we can't use SC's to compare, then your DOHC doesn't compare either.

Almost all 3800's make it to 300000+km's EASILY with regular oil changes.
I don't really understand.

BETTERTHANYOU makes a very good point. Do you ever here complaints about the ancient technology in a 350, or 454?? Just because its older, doesn't mean its not better than what you own it just means that older technology has been IMPROVED upon and been around and all the bugs have been worked out. I would much rather spend my dollar on a proven engine, than a new engine with brand new ideas that haven't been around for more than 10 years.

So, grow up and get your ugly head out of your dirty ass.

Also, would you quit complaining about how expensive things are for 3800's! It just means 3800 owners are willing to spend the extra dollar for better quality parts. I would rather pay the extra buck for something than get a shitty part, like you must be aquiring.
If your a poor bastard who can't afford to spend money on aftermarket, then i suggest you get a 3400.

Who ever says they don't read longs posts, thats nice? Your problem not mine! Dumbass. Just because one insignificant person says they didn't read it, (when in reality they probably did!) that doesn't mean no body else has!

BTW Nice information NORM!

[Guest]

I hate to get off the argument for a minute, but you guys HAVE to check this out, it's pretty amazing.
Get over the fact that its a 3800 powered car and just check it out, it's pretty damn sweet!

http://www.intense-racing.com/video/john1.mpeg

This is also pretty sweet although its so far from stock that an ordinary person probably wouldn't recognize the engine as a 3800 although thats what it ultimately is...

http://www.intense-racing.com/video/Turbo_10998.mpg

[SappySE107]

Dan, you are a moron. If you think we dont know about knock sensors and teflon coating...you are merely elevating your ego at the cost of looking like a jackass. Just don't post anymore, cause quite frankly everyone but YOU is putting up good info on the 3800. All you are doing is dragging 3800 owners down with your insults and idiotic ramblings for shit we have discussed....already....in this thread.

This thread isn't about the DOHC. I do have to ask....are you saying DOHC is a power adder, cause that is the only reason I dont care to simply discuss the L67 with its supercharger as a basis for 3800. If you want to talk about DOHC engines, you can go to the DOHC section.
60V6 engines last quite a while, with gas and oil, and probably fixing the lower intake gaskets 1 time to fix GMs mistake. The one thing 3800s can't seem to do though....resistance to fire. Hmmm, i bring this up because I see more eingine bay fires from the 3800s than I do from the 60V6 (unless you could the Fiero...that thing has some issues too it seems).

So for everyone else, here is what dan is saying in every post. "you are dumb, I am smart, blah blah blah" You are about to get banned for being an idiot, just letting you know. I have let it go because of the nature of this thread....and I let you insult me and others already because of this thread. However, you aren't doing anyone any favors by posting...you aren't following the thread, you aren't discussing anything new, and I just dont like you anyway.

[Cliff8928]

I was ready this article:

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It's not due until the 2004 Commodore, but here is Holden's new V6 in glorious technical detail. And doesn't it show the current horrible pushrod V6 for the dunger it is....

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haha... they called the 3800 a dunger...

Cliff Scott
89 BerettaGT
89 Volvo740

[ikessky]

Would you shut your hole about the supercharger being a "power adder" too? We know a supercharger is a power adder you mofo... Unless there are some people in here that think its designed to heat your speakers.. (Wouldn't surprise me in here!!) Your rediculous engine is DOHC, which the 3800 is not. So if we can't use SC's to compare, then your DOHC doesn't compare either.

Have you even read all the posts in this thread??? I believe it was nocutt who was saying that he didn't think it's a power adder because it came from the factory. Sorry for trying to get correct information out to a person who seemed confused.

Who ever says they don't read longs posts, thats nice? Your problem not mine! Dumbass. Just because one insignificant person says they didn't read it, (when in reality they probably did!) that doesn't mean no body else has!
BTW Nice information NORM!

You really don't read the posts do you? My comment was that it was the longest post. I did not state that I didn't read it because of its length.

You know Dan, I actually thought about getting a L67 for my car. It would drop in with zero modifications other than getting a new computer. One of the reasons I decided not to is because I heard that GM was going to discontinue making these and go with the 3900. The other reason is price. For my application, I can pretty much get standard parts that don't cost an arm and a leg. I don't need custom billet everything. I don't mind paying the money for quality parts, but I think some of the parts that are out there are pretty pricey. As I've said before, I have a 440 that I can build with lots of power for a pretty decent price.
If you want to talk more (minus all the insults and what not) just PM me. I'm not on this board to sit and fight with people. I'm here to talk about cars and engines and stuff relating to them. As you can see, I'm interested in all kinds of makes and models (even the 3800, although I don't openly admit it here! ). Personally, I haven't really had a good experience with the 3800 crowd and you are not really showing me anything that different. Again, PM me if you want to talk more about all of this stuff.

[GPXSS]

This might come as a HUGE shocker to you, but did you know you can buy titanium teflon coated pistons? Man thats crazy isn't it!

Yeah thats crazy.. Link me to some, i dare you. Make sure you read Dr. Jay's posts correctly before you link to over there so you don't make yourself look like a dumbass.

Did you also know you can get teflon coated heads? OH MY GOD! Did you know that teflon on teflon is said to have less friction than ice on ice?

Id bet its not teflon at all, but just a simple dry film lubricant. Besides, why on earth would i need them on heads? Can you explain that one to me?

But i'm guessing your aluminum heads are better than that. And stronger then titanium, even though titanium is one of the strongest know metals on this planet...

Actually no.. Ive never seen titanium heads, and i bet neither have you.

How about you quit babbling since you are so bored in Computer class and come back when you know what you are talking about.

I swear, some peoples kids

[Rhedalert]

- Hmm...last time I checked, I dont remember aluminum heads disintegrating and turning to dust after 15 years. Whats that all aboot?

[cutlassdude96]

[Anonymous]

[Homer]

Did you know that iron heads aren't bad? Think about it.. What is stronger, and longer lasting? Iron, or Aluminium... A simple lesson in chemistry would teach you that iron, is the stronger and longer lasting of the two.

This might come as a HUGE shocker to you, but did you know you can buy titanium teflon coated pistons?

First do you know why engineers went to aluminium, it is lighter, not becasue it lasts longer or is stronger. People have know this for hundreds of years. But the a lot of people feel that the advantage of having lighter heads out weighs the disadvantage of less strenght and reduced life.

Second, I searched all over DuPonts website for this teflon coated piston, and they have no records of it but they show every other project they are doing. Also I never knew the piston rubbed on the cylinder walls, all this time I thought it was the piston rings, lmao.

[Homer]

Back on subject, 3800 vs 3400/3500. I think that gm is aming there future more at the 3400/3500 rather than the 3800. Look at what these engines are going in, the 3800s are going in mostly buicks, while the 3400/3500 is going into more cars that younger people are going to buy. My mom has a buick 3800 S/C in her buick, its a nice engine for an everyday driver, but I presonally wouldnt buy a 3800 to tune it up and try and make it fast.

[Cliff8928]

A whole bunch of crap that isn't worth reading again

1) my 2.8 was still perfectly fine at 190,000kms (usually reaching 6,000 RPM at least once a day)... Despite having some metal object dropped down the intake and making one head/piston look like it was the victim of a shotgun shot... It was just changed to gain the power/displacement of the 3400... and I'm sure the JY that it was sent to as a core (a friend of the family) will resell it to someone else and it will live on for years to come...

2) 350s and 454s make sense because they are 90° V8s... a 90° V6 just doesn't make sense at all unless you LIKE that balance shaft...


Cliff Scott
89 BerettaGT
89 Volvo740

[nocutt]

Even if the 3800NA/SC was made to run a billion HP, with even "state of the art blah!blah!!blah!!"...guess what? It all comes down to the same thing on this board...'angle of separation' which in effect brings about the 'balance shaft' topic...this is like a doggie chasing its tail...This thread will always belong to the 60* (especially the fanatics ) it is not a matter of what can be proven or refuted...that darn 'balance shaft' always seem to irk a whole lot of folks Well I take a bow...
7 pages not bad

[Anonymous]

I do think the balance shaft is stupid, but you can also argue that the 90* block has more meat to it than a 60* block, so there is a strength advantage there. But being 90*, its heavier. Same shit different day. This thread is stail but for some reason I still read all the posts. And please don't quote any of the crap I have just said, cause I don't want to hear any more about it.

[SappySE107]

Then dont post in it. Anyone got pics of the 3800 block? Ive never seen just the block.