3800 Vs 3400/3500

[ikessky]

I don't care if it came from the factory as stock or if it is aftermarket. IT IS STILL A POWER ADDER!!!!!

Fine, take away the words "sanctioned event". You still have a power adder on a 3800.

[SappySE107]

Besides, if it is just "how it came from the factory", the L67 wins every time, hand down. No mods, nothing else matters, cause its only how GM made it. There, end of discussion.

[Anonymous]

Besides, if it is just "how it came from the factory", the L67 wins every time, hand down. No mods, nothing else matters, cause its only how GM made it. There, end of discussion.

But it's boring to just buy it and run it... you gotta play with it!

[nocutt]

I don't care if it came from the factory as stock or if it is aftermarket. IT IS STILL A POWER ADDER!!!!!

Fine, take away the words "sanctioned event". You still have a power adder on a 3800.

Okay darn 'Power Adder' you happy now
Now add it to the comparison...however I don't know why? it is "old technology" (*cough*since it's pushrod...*cough)...I have accepted that...definately not in potential...
There you have it...now that is the end of discussion

[SappySE107]

This is pushrod vs pushrod...what does old technology have to do with anything? They are all used in cars at the same time...its not like we are talking 1960s vs 1980s...oh wait...WE ARE! hahahaha:P Poor 3800.

[GPXSS]

Im not happy.. you guys havent argued enough.

I sentence you to 1 more page of back and forth babbling!

[Guest]

SappySE107 wrote:
Besides, if it is just "how it came from the factory", the L67 wins every time, hand down. No mods, nothing else matters, cause its only how GM made it. There, end of discussion.
But it's boring to just buy it and run it... you gotta play with it!

You dumb ass...
If a car comes form the factory supercharged, then you can build up the engine in other ways, like teflon coated pistons, cams, injectors, headers, new ALUMINUM heads since IRON heads are aparently so strong that they are bad to use?? haha you dumb fucks you don't have ANY common sense

Anyways, this thread is hilaroius because its full of biased posts
It's hilaroius, anyways, come to bonnevilleclub.com and read the mods people have done, and the power we get, and the times we get, and then compare them to yours and you'll see which engine obviously comes out ahead.. Dumb fucks hahahhahahahahahahah!!!!

[ikessky]

And I bet that bonnevilleclub.com doesn't have any biased posts...... My real question is, why did you even come to this site if you love 3800's and hate the 60*'s so bad? It certainly wasn't to share useful information. Whatever........ I have a Chrysler 440 at home that will rape any 3800 you guys can make. I'm not looking to break records with my 3x00. It's my daily driver and I treat it as such.

BTW everyone! Guess how many liters per flush the toilet at work is rated at...... That's right, 3.8L!

[SappySE107]

dan, your quoting me and ridgerunner...and then talking about mods to any engine...WTF are you talking about numbnuts? I know you can do mods retard, you should try some reading comprehension.

Fine, you tell me what the fastest NA 3800 boat is, im curious. Im curious cause im staying NA as well, L67 specs dont really matter to me. Now, for those that have added boost to the 60V6 engines, im sure the L67 is a fair comparison.

Dan, stop being a spectator, I dont think you have any knowledge about your engines with your replies. Just ahaha, im so smart, you are dumb hahaha.

[geoffinbc]

What is the most power coming out of a 3800? Boosted, N2O, N/A whatever? The most I ever remember seeing from a 3.4L was 350hp and 400lbs of torque. On stock internals. Would a 3800 hold up to that and last? Probabally not.

[Anonymous]

I know a 3800 has hit over 400hp at the wheels, not sure on torque.

[SappySE107]

stock internals?

[nocutt]

Thise is pushrod vs pushrod...what does old technology have to do with anything? They are all used in cars at the same time...its not like we are talking 1960s vs 1980s...oh wait...WE ARE! hahahaha:P Poor 3800.

you funny!

Yes I heard and saw the video of "Tiago's" 3.4L do about 350hp with 17psi of boost and N2O sprayed IC (RWD)! Then there is a 3800 NA doing FWD 13.X (where x=mid #) I forgot the MPH and then another 3800NA with a bolt-on CSC do 11.x (where X= high #), the later was with a cam. The latest or rather two latest 3800NA with well over 400hp to the wheels are from 3800 montes with the CSC all running less than 13psi...
The 3800 with the most PK power that I can think of is about 600hp, this is with a tweaked engine and a turbo...the other that come to mind are around 500hp at the crank daily drivers. 2 of them are currently still using the m90, one is sprayed the other isn't...stock internals one of 'em even went with higher Compression pistons (the sprayer )...modified cam however on both.

betterthanyou,
The 3800 either of 'em will hold more boost than any currently available 60 degree Gm V6. We aren't talking about just ramping boost up for a run or dyno...I mean in terms of durability...the engine was built for punishment and less finesse...it is the nature of this beast...I mean I have heard of guys running 200shots of n2o and driving home. The last project I enjoyed working on was a twincharged 3800S1, which put down 400+ to the wheels at 14psi...Non-Intercooled! The bottom end to this engines are scary...which is why I did not agree on want to agree with Ben, when he said the engine is basically 'a poor design (I am paraphrasing here...) and the L67 was just a SC placed on an NA motor'...it is far from that. The gasket technology was thought out this time around...so was the engine management...remember nothing fancy shmancy...just stuff that works, especially for those of us that like to carve niches. I am not saying the GM60 degree V6 aren't competent...I am just calling it how I see it...the iron heads are only bonuses...
That is my performance stand off...FI wise...Natural Aspiration, a harder ball game...but I think it is still much to have...however due to the drivetrain, I don't think you can accomplish enough without spinning the heck out of this motors and granted the stock heads are choked up some, complimented with a small cam. I think most of this was really due to emission factors. We put one this motors NA into a fiero, coupled with an haltech and muncie-4...this thing was reborn...however that is another story, the point is a lot of folks quote the factory hp as inefficiency...NO to keep emissions was one thing, I mean 231ci motor with 200/205...do you really think it is that hard to coax another 40 hp? A lot of you do your own chips and bolt-ons...a cam, better or ported heads and a new fuel and timing Map...um yes a stick...this will definately be a nice street machine...I don't know about comparing it to a 3x00...but believe it or not, this engines do like to rev...relatively , before someone throws a boomerang at me..lol

[SappySE107]

I never said the L67 was an NA engine with the SC on it. It has the better internals.

Im looking for the specs on that NA 3800 car in the 13s. Lets just say I plan to take away the NA title next year...or someone else will beat me even with the same engine im using. I wanna see how much money and if the car was stripped. Dyno graphs would be nice too.

I dont know of anyone boosting a 60V6 to the point of it killing itself.

[nocutt]

I never said the L67 was an NA engine with the SC on it. It has the better internals..

Maybe someone else wants to talk about the L67, its SC, and how its obviously not a power adder cause GM put a supercharger on an NA engine and released it. I dont comprehend how a supercharger is magically not a poweradder since GM slapped it on there...but ok.

This is exactly what you said...it might not have been what you intended to say...so I paraphrased it...

I am looking for the specs on that NA 3800 car in the 13s. Lets just say I plan to take away the NA title next year...or someone else will beat me even with the same engine im using. I wanna see how much money and if the car was stripped. Dyno graphs would be nice too.

You don't really want to see it...$$$$$ but one cannot remove the concept, the drive and the evolution or rather revolution...as a pioneer expect to "measure twice and cut twice"...

I dont know of anyone boosting a 60V6 to the point of it killing itself

Different means to the same end...however 'killing itself' becomes another debate...you don't expect to get more than 100% more power and get longevity especially on stock components...at this power level, 400hp will be catalyst to accelerated wear...although this is still not going to be the same as the NA guys who have to rev the motors to get the same power...
The 3800 NA engine is making around 240-260hp I will summise...now with the advent of the stroker 4.1...well