3800 Vs 3400/3500

[cutlassdude96]

Saturn is getting Honda engines, and the 3.5 shortstar was sopouse to repalce the 3800 but the 3.5 got killed

[Sorin]

The deal with Honda is for Honda to supply V6 engines to Saturn for the Vue. That's it. Well maybe the Chevrolet Equinox if that POS ever comes out, but that I'm not sure about, as I think it was going to get a 3x00. Other than that, the Honda V6 goes into no other GM product. Saturn Vue is pretty much all.

[Rhedalert]

Nobody buys saturn anyway....they kill Oldsmobile, yet saturn remains? lol

[GPXSS]

I had "heard" ( so dont take this as fact ) that Honda would supply GM a few engines if GM would supply Honda with duramax deisel engines for Honda's upcoming trucks.

[ikessky]

So they're killing of the 3800 huh? Well, I guess that seals it. I was going to put a SC 3800 into my '01 Century, but by that time, the 3500 will hopefully have a SC kit for it. Then I can still stick with the 60 degree crowd. If they have the same power in NA form, why wouldn't I do it?

[Anonymous]

I thought I had read that the Honda deal was Honda building some GM-designed powerplants, with GM supplying diesels to Honda as a trade-off.

[Anonymous]

Ford 3.8

How about we throw in some Ford here :P
Ford Mustang 3.8 V6 .. 190HP and a very slow car.

Had a 85 T-bird with a 3.8, and I believe that engine was rated at 120hp or something like that. What a POS, not enough power to haul around a 4000lb car. lol.

are those engines 60* or are they just a 302 with 2 cylinders chopped off?

[geoffinbc]

Just watch this, if anyone can make a 60 degree V6 with half the hp of this 3.8, they win a cookie.

Ok number one when that car was made it had a 3.8L NOT a 3800. Big difference. Also that car in that video does NOT have a 3.8L it is a SBC so don't even start.

Just to throw in a little more info here. Our engines are made with a 60* angle simply for BALANCE. The 120* crank throw angle makes it perfect. Hence no balance shaft. Now don't start thinking that with no balance shaft a 90* V6 will blow apart because that is simply NOT the case but some people seem to think it is. The 3.8L (chevy and buick blocks), 4.0L buick, 3.3L buick and the 4.3L chevy all started out without a balance shaft and were just fine. But without the shaft orderly vibrations will set up and transmit through the car. This it what you may feel as a low RPM shudder in you car.

Now why do V8's primarily use 90*? Well with the cylinders aranged with a shared journal you have 4 perfectally offset throws on your crank and again it balances out perfect.

Something bad again VW has decided to build a V10 desiel on a 90* angle. What does it need? Right a balance shaft. Who else has a un balanced V10? Thats right Dodge and Ford. Stupid Dodge and Ford.

[geoffinbc]

Re: Ford 3.8

How about we throw in some Ford here :P
Ford Mustang 3.8 V6 .. 190HP and a very slow car.

Had a 85 T-bird with a 3.8, and I believe that engine was rated at 120hp or something like that. What a POS, not enough power to haul around a 4000lb car. lol.

are those engines 60* or are they just a 302 with 2 cylinders chopped off?

I think they are 90* and I think they may be based off the V8's

Here is a pic of one. Sure looks 90* to me. Oh and they have balance shafts incase anyone wonders.

[Gemmer]

well...how bout this. The l36 dyno record was just broken.

The engine has a 4.1 liter short block among other mods Im sure.

What did it pull? 238.8HP and 255.5TQ

Impressive? Yea. Was I expecting more power for all that work? Hell yea!

in its defence, I guess it is around a theoretical 297.5 crankHP (assuming a theoretical 20% drivetrain loss)

but still...I was expecting alot more....

[Anonymous]

238.8HP and 255.5TQ? Not impressed...

[ikessky]

238.8HP and 255.5TQ? Not impressed...

No offense to the owner, but I agree with dykz34.

[SLEEPER6000]

LOL 3800 IS NOT A BAD MOTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!

now i don't know about you guys but i love the 3800 series v6, i only have a 3.1L in my car but my mom has a 1996 Pontiac Firebird with the 3800 series motor, yeah it is a 1996 with 230,000 miles on the motor and car, and the damn thing still pulls strong, and nothing absolutely nothing has gone wrong with the motor NOTHING, and it does GREAT on gas, and if there is really something to compain about there please let me know, my e mail is NUESSSPEEDRICE84@AOL.COM

[Anonymous]

[ikessky]

My in-laws drive a '98-'99 Bonneville that has a 3800 in it. It sure doesn't seem to have that much more power than my 3100. Maybe a little deeper exhaust tone, but hey, I can get that too if I want.