are 3.1 blocks aluminum? 3.1 aluminum block?

[ForcedFirebird]

Iron '660 heads are way heavier than the aluminum heads..

84 vs 45 lbs (heads and LIM)

Yes, I have weighed them.

[no_doz]

SHOoff is 100% wrong/lying, go read the thread-i never said 3400 isnt 60*, i misread one of his posts as "isnt a 60*" rather than "is" and being me i didnt read the post twice and went on this huge rant about how if he swapped a 3400 in & didnt know it was a 60* then he really shouldnt be giving me shit.

when i was corrected, i posted an apology-he essentially told me to shove it-& now feels the need to not only follow me around like a troll & post negative non helpful crap in my threads, but to straight up lie about what i said in an attempt to make me look even dumber than i made myself look in the first place (as you guys on here have seen on here i dont need anyones help at doing that lol).

also i told -him- to come here & say the 3400 isnt a 60* & get laughed at...not the other way around

i find it amusing that SHOoff has nothing better to do but follow me around & be an unhelpful dick in even cross-forum.

atleast on this forum when people give me hell its usually for stupid ass ideas & you guys give me facts as to why its pointless.

on j-body apparently a 3.1 sunfire is way out in the realm of near impossible, a 3.8 would be easier & better, & no one seems to have a single answer as to why other than "OMFG IT HAS MORE POWER BECAUSE OF THE SUPERCHARGER!@#!$%"

this has given me a much better appreciation for you guys & your help at squashing my dumb ideas over the years, because when you tell me its stupid-you tell me exactly why.

also does anyone know the weight difference between a fwd 3.1 & 3.8/3800? the guys on j-body seem to think theres about 75lbs difference & thats it-hardly enough to warrant a boat anchor comparison but thats why im asking you guys & not them

[ForcedFirebird]

The 3500 with the steel crank weighs 340lbs on the nose - dressed minus the alt and p/s, but including the cast exhaust manifolds. The l36 is a tad over 400lbs, the l67 is just over 450 (how dressed is unknown or have had various inputs). I would guess that the 3.1 is slightly less than the 3500 since the nodular iron crank is much lighter than the forging. Did it have the same cross bolt mains that the gen3's got (don't thinks so, but correct me if I'm wrong), that will be even more weight savings over the 3500.

Now don't go using my info to throw in their face, or else!!!

[no_doz]

of course the one time i actually have 99% of the shit i need for a swap, & seriously intend to go through with it, so i get on j-body & ask them rather than asking you guys like every other time, and instead get told to go ecotec or 3.8 because the 3.1 is a weak piece of crap that will be hell to put in...

oh the irony

[no_doz]

no im not trying to throw anything in anyone's face, i was just having a bad week & got the sunfire with the motor knocking like hell, so i got on asking how hard/costly it would be to put in the 3.1, & essentially got laughed at & told it wasnt feasible.

im to the point where im not going to argue with people that want to give me crap, im only looking for help getting this done as soon and as cheaply as possible so i dont have to bum rides to work because it sucks!

i never realized how many 60* haters there are out there :P

[95 V6 J body]

no doz, while you're here calling SHOoff a liar, you're doing it yourself. His very first response to your post was that the gauges working would be a problem, answering your question. As for the suggestion that an Ecotec would be better, he specifically said that the 3.1 out of the 90 Lumina you wanted did not give you a very big increase in power, and gave you the stats on it. He told you, as did others, that the 3.1 was going to require a bunch of work, and for the small increase in power you would get, it wasn't worth it. You got your panties in a bunch and started telling people how they need to stop thinking the Ecotec is so great, and then you got in the pissing contest over the 3800. After that, it just became pure douchebaggery, including multiple times of you running your mouth and being exposed for lack of knowledge. Then when you're called out on the aluminum block comment (which was an in-your-face post, by the way), you run over here and say how the people are claiming that the 3.1s are all iron block, and are looking for a way to go back and say "ha! I was right, you were wrong!"

Show respect, get respect. Run from one forum to another trying to make someone else look like a fool, and you're going to be the one making an ass out of yourself.

[bszopi]

You wanted to put a 3.1 (not 3100) into a 96 Sunfire? Well, I will agree that it is definitely not worth it, and also illegal. You can not install an engine into a car if the engine is older than the car.

[asylummotorsports]

In Canada that is called a Hot Rod and is emissions exempt.

So is my 3500 '92 Beretta, although that took some "creative discussions" with a somewhat STUPID inspector. LOL!!

[no_doz]

where i am located there are no emissions checks or anything of that nature, so unless i total it & want it inspected its not going to be a problem. also does anyone know if a 93 3.1 auto ecm could control the sunfire trans if i get one-or will i need to have someone modify/change the coding?

[no_doz]

"
Jon Mick.... since you seem to know all about it. I see you talking down on Nota2_4 like you're worth something. At least he did a swap, and he read posts and did it on his own without asking dumb questions. Since he's the "last" person that can talk @!#$ since he put in a supercharged boat anchor in his car, then I'm the first person who can since I put in a 3400 (which, in case you haven't noticed is a 60 degree engine, just like yours... it's the same engine asides form some displacement and some manfolds and stuff. Just newer really)"

i made no negative remarks towards SHOoff until this post, in which i misread is as isnt-& along with the crap ass negative way he was talking to me all because he didnt like that i retaliated to another poster basically posting that no one should even try to help or comment because im BS. i also apologized for my mistakes & what i said, only to basically be told to fuck off.

and hell yea i came over here looking to prove them wrong, i certainly cant ask about 60* over there because everyone wants to tell me that anything but the 3400 & 3500 are junk & that eco's & 3.8's will walk all over them all day long.

i never said eco's werent great-i said that i dont believe a 2.2 eco will "walk all over" a 3.1 or 3100 aluminum head, & then people took that as "ecotecs are SHIT, 3.1's rule the world!!".

all of this is very frustrating considering im trying to use what i have to put something together using what i have, & for the most part people just want to give me hell like i claimed this was an attempt to turn the sunfire into a drag racer or something.

my point is-if your only driving car blew up & you just wanted to use what you had to get it back on the road by using what you have-wouldnt you get your "panties in a bunch" when all you get is people telling you that you are full of shit & stupid because there are "more powerful options"?

just a little self explanation, if you'd like to cut me down further you can go ahead, if thats what makes your day, but for once im not trying to work in the realm of possibility & trying to just run with what i have-i just wanted some knowledge from people that have & want to share it.

p.s. nice job on fooling that inspector asylum, if you have any tips on that im sure there are plenty of people on here that will be more than happy to listen!!

[bszopi]

No, the ECM for the 3.1 will not control the Sunfire tranny.

And I don't know many hot rods that install engines older than the car. Some may start with a block that is older than the car, but once it is fully rebuilt, it is no longer older. The main reason for this is due to emissions (again, which many hot rods (at least what I consider hot rods) don't have to deal with, ie carb setups and such).

[no_doz]

ok well thats another potential option eliminated, will the cv shafts have the same splines & fit into the lumina trans properly? if they will-is there a strong possibility that i will need to get 3.1 auto cav cv shafts?

thanks for your help bszopi, you're always full of good information.

[SHOoff]

You wanted to put a 3.1 (not 3100) into a 96 Sunfire? Well, I will agree that it is definitely not worth it, and also illegal. You can not install an engine into a car if the engine is older than the car.

Beings that he's in Ohio he's likely never to get caught with it.

However, the fact will remain. It was suggested to this gentleman to look at different forums on JBO. Specifically the 3rd gen forum. If he looks there, at the top of the page is a sticky post about swapping a 60 degree into a 3rd gen j-body. I do understand his concern that there's not any information about a 3.1 swap specifically but he's got to realize that there is a reason for that. But the core of information is there and some basics that he should know is the same from engine to engine. He would quickly realize that he cannot swap the subframe from the lumina onto the j-body and gain 4 inches of width on the front end, but simply to just bolt the engine to the 2.2 transmission in the j-body.

No, the ECM for the 3.1 will not control the Sunfire tranny.

True but, also possibly unnecessary. If the Sunfire only has the 3spd then you wouldn't have to worry about electronic transmission controls outside of the TCC lockup, which should be supported by the 3.1 ECM just fine.

[Superdave]

Weird, someone posted on V6Z24 asking a similar question...

http://www.v6z24.com/jbodyforum/2-2l-to-3-1l-swap-with-nvg-t550-5-speed-t109704.html

we told him the same thing.

[no_doz]

no that definitely wasnt me although im pretty sure i did join that site at some point.

also SHOoff i appreciate your informative, also the trans is a 4 speed if i remember correctly but im in the process of fixing the motor thats in it because its cheap & easy as hell.