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  • Fuel Pressure Woes...

    Maybe a few more minds on this topic will help...

    I have a Caspers AFPR on my fuel rail right now, I'm running the trailblazer Injectors which are 28# per/hr at 61PSI... I have my pump set for 62PSI at WOT, so all is good there...

    Now I have two issues that have to be related and I'm not sure of the source.

    1) Hard starting. Never had this issue before up until a few weeks ago, always started quickly, even if it was followed by stalling due to the large cam, but it would fire quick before.

    2) Large pressure drop when nitrous fuel solenoid engages. This is where I noticed it the most and it worry's me... its enough of a drop for long enough to have the a/f ratio on my wideband hit 14-16:1 for one line in my log... Yeah short but its still there.

    it drops from 63PSI down to about 25 for what seems a split second, but you can feel it.

    I have a gauge on my car right now so I can see it driving, I have NO issues at WOT n/a or even just doing a key on prime test... the pressure goes up and stays up there it does not drop of quickly. Yeah it will bleed back down to 0 over 3-4 hours but that can't be my issue.

    I just tested and when I start it jumps to 60 and stays there while cranking... so its not the similar symptom of no pressure while cranking because the pump primed and the regulator didn't hold it.

    Now the nitrous setup, its a line that taps off of my pressure valve on my rail, and by the coil pack and down to a solenoid that's on the other side of the brakes, then there is a 18" line to the nozzle that's in the TB spacer. I'm assuming this drop in pressure is due to filling the long source line of any air pockets, and also filling the 18" up to the jet in the nozzle... Back to back engagemnt of the fuel solenoid does not produce the same drop, its only the first one say ever 5 min or something, so I'm assuming by the the 18" line is sucked dry from the vaccum of the motor since thats after the solenoid.

    Either way the only thing that comes to my mind is fuel FLOW being an issue... I have a 255lph walbro HP pump, and I had to modify my bucket to make it fit...

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    The pump has direct access to the bottom of the tank so its not stuck in the factory bucket that could be drained quickly... I'm thinking and hoping, the rubber line I used was a little long, you need to compress the springs on these pickups to get them down and in, and I'm HOPING TO GOD that the rubber line just got softer and kinked a little and is restricting flow...

    I've also purchased a new fuel filter, since I did change that when I did my tank but it was a god who knows how old filter I had lying around...

    The hard starts did not start happening right after I installed this pump, it actually fired REALLY quick the first time after setting this all in, and I figured it would crank more the since the line was empty.

    I want to say this all started a few weeks after I did the pump... so thats why I'm thinking something changed in there due to that excess compression and I hope its nothing I can't fix quickly.

    Got Lope?
    3500 Build, Comp XFI Cam 218/230 .050 dur .570/.568 lift 113LSA
    Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
    Stage-1 Raybestos/Alto 4t60e-HD, EP LSD, 3.69FDR
    12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

  • #2
    What gauge wire do you have running to your pump from the front of the car? I think this is something the w body guys upgrade though I know nothing about the specifics.
    Ben
    60DegreeV6.com
    WOT-Tech.com

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    • #3
      factory size pump wire, but the system primes fine.

      I have heard of upgrading the fuel line wires too, but I didn't do it when I had the interior out and I have the same pump in my red car and it never displayed this issue when the nitrous was on that.

      Got Lope?
      3500 Build, Comp XFI Cam 218/230 .050 dur .570/.568 lift 113LSA
      Fully Balanced, Ported, 3 Angle Valve Job, 65mm TCE TB, S&S Headers.
      Stage-1 Raybestos/Alto 4t60e-HD, EP LSD, 3.69FDR
      12.61@105 Epping NH Oct 2015 Nitrous 100shot (melted plugs) 13.58@98.8 N/A 3200LBS

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      • #4
        What are the fuel pump voltage in the data logs? Does it sag realy bad? OBD1.5 datalogs voltage at fuel pump, I'm sure OBD2 does too.
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        16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
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        with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
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        • #5
          I think its a volume issue. You may have the pressure and the pump may be able to put out the needed volume, but can the lines move it?

          just a rough example, 90lbs of pressure on a 1/2" line drops to 60 on a 3/4" line.

          GPM on the 1/2" line @ 90lbs of pressure is 10.5 GPM

          GPM on the 3/4" line @ 60lbs of pressure 10 12.5 GPM

          don't forget you get a pressure and volume loss per foot of line and per bend in line.
          I would do a flow test, not a pressure test, but a flow test before the filter, another at the rail, and pull 1 injector and test at the injector hole. If you don't have a volume gauge use a measuring cup and time it.
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          • #6
            I had to upgrade to a TPI 350 Camaro pump to get enough volume for mine, works great.
            Past Builds;
            1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
            1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
            Current Project;
            1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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            • #7
              Where/When did you buy your walbro?

              Lifting my front wheels, one jack at a time.

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              • #8
                Maybe move the fuel solenoid closer to the nozzle so it doesn't have to prime that hose length when it opens?
                sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
                1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                Original L82 Longblock
                with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IsaacHayes View Post
                  Maybe move the fuel solenoid closer to the nozzle so it doesn't have to prime that hose length when it opens?
                  as simple as that is, it didn't occur to me until i read it.

                  also, a secondary pump(activated by the solenoid or otherwise) could help as well...
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