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    Clutch system swap info needed

    OK, I am getting ready to get my X-11 back on the road. I've got a 4 speed tranny from an '85 Fiero w/ a 2.8. I've got a remanned NAPA clutch. I've got a brand new OEM flywheel. Basicly I've got everything needed. Here's the problem, My X-11 has a cable clutch and the tranny and clutch are both set up for hydro. So how do I switch my X-11 clutch over to the hydro? What parts will I need? What cars can I scab parts from?
    The reason I am asking is because the tranny's set up for the hydro clutch and it seems easier to change the X than "create" a custom clutch cable sheath holder.
    Thanks in advance,
    Jeremiah
    Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance
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  • #2
    You can probably find a Beretta or Cavalier clutch pedal, and use the 88-89 Beretta/Cavy Hydraulics. The slave is the same as the Fiero one.
    Stephanie
    92 GTZ ~SupermoddedW41GTZ~

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    • #3
      Cool, thanks. So it should be a pretty straight forward swap?
      Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance

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      • #4
        the fiero transmissions have a different shift arm on the tranny, i think. so you might want to check that your shifter is going into the gears you think it is. i think they flipped something over on top or turned it 180 for the rear mounted drive train.
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        • #5
          DI, you make a good point. Yea, the shifter "tabs" are 180 degrees out. Basicly flip them over and keep them in the proper order and your golden. Thats already been done on this tranny.
          Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance

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          • #6
            What year is your X-11? Is it currently a 4-spd car?

            Marty
            '99 Z-28 - Weekend Driver
            '98 Dodge Neon - Winter Beater
            '84 X-11 - Time and Money Pit
            '88 Fiero Formula - Bone stock for now

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            • #7
              It's an '81 model. Dont worry, for some reason the infamous 80-81 factor has not come into play. The tranny bolted into place easy as pie. OK, so the tranny is technically setting in place but that was just so I could get the car off the jack stands.
              Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance

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              • #8
                It's an '81 model and yes it is originally a 4 speed. 4 speed to 4 speed swap, yea! Dont worry, for some reason the infamous 80-81 factor has not come into play. The tranny bolted into place easy as pie. OK, so the tranny is technically setting in place but that was just so I could get the car off the jack stands.
                Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance

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                • #9
                  It's an '81 model and yes it is originally a 4 speed. 4 speed to 4 speed swap, yea! Dont worry, for some reason the infamous 80-81 factor has not come into play. The tranny bolted into place easy as pie. OK, so the tranny is technically setting in place but that was just so I could get the car off the jack stands.
                  Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance

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                  • #10
                    I am not sure about the interchangeability of Baretta or Cavalier parts onto the X-11. I know the Celebrity came with a hydraulic clutch setup on the Getrags sometime between ?86-?88. These parts (pedal, master, slave, lines, etc.) would be a direct bolt-on to the X-11. Finding them might be the hard part.

                    It might be easier to retain the cable clutch setup.

                    The clutch pivot shaft on the Fiero transmission is identical to the X-11 shaft. You can remove the short slave lever arm, and replace it with the longer X-11 clutch lever arm.

                    The clutch cable bracket from a late X-11 (~?83+) will bolt right up to the Fiero transmission. The earlier X-11 used a slightly different transmission casting, and the cable bracket was different. You would need to source one of the later brackets.

                    It sounds like you already have the shifter arm change figured out. Do you have the shift cables mounted to the transmission yet?

                    Marty
                    '99 Z-28 - Weekend Driver
                    '98 Dodge Neon - Winter Beater
                    '84 X-11 - Time and Money Pit
                    '88 Fiero Formula - Bone stock for now

                    Quote of the week:
                    Originally posted by Aaron
                    This is why I don't build crappy headers. I'm not sure, I don't know too much about welding.

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                    • #11
                      Does the citation share the A body or H body platform? If it is indeed the A body you would be golden if you found the 5spd parts <-I forgot about this. I dont remember anything anymore, I have too many cars.
                      Stephanie
                      92 GTZ ~SupermoddedW41GTZ~

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                      • #12
                        A Body.
                        '99 Z-28 - Weekend Driver
                        '98 Dodge Neon - Winter Beater
                        '84 X-11 - Time and Money Pit
                        '88 Fiero Formula - Bone stock for now

                        Quote of the week:
                        Originally posted by Aaron
                        This is why I don't build crappy headers. I'm not sure, I don't know too much about welding.

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                        • #13
                          Yea, FINDING a A-body set-up is damn near impossible. I kinda want to stay with the 4 speed stick as its "supposed" to the strongest fwd tranny gm made. Marty, I didnt see any provision on the fiero tranny for the clutch cable bracket (going off memory now). Would you happen to have an extra bracket as well as a clutch pivot shaft (kinda scared that mine may have tweaked when the throw-out bearing exploded)? How much? IIRC, the shifter cables should be loosely mounted. Again I put the tranny in place and bolted it up so I could get the car off jack stands and be able to close the hood (code enforcement doesnt like cars being repaired in ohio).
                          Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance

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                          • #14
                            The bracket bolts to the two top holes on the transmisison bellhousing (see pic). I do not have any extra brackets that would fit the Fiero transmission. I have an early X-11 bracket, but it mounts differently.

                            What do you mean about the cables being mounted loosely? They need to be mounted solidly with the proper cable bracket. The X-11 used cale brackets cast into the transmission case, but the Fiero trans uses bolt-on cable brackets. If you don't have them, you need to find an '85-'86 Cavalier to steel the brackets from.

                            Marty
                            '99 Z-28 - Weekend Driver
                            '98 Dodge Neon - Winter Beater
                            '84 X-11 - Time and Money Pit
                            '88 Fiero Formula - Bone stock for now

                            Quote of the week:
                            Originally posted by Aaron
                            This is why I don't build crappy headers. I'm not sure, I don't know too much about welding.

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                            • #15
                              My "mounted loosely" I meant that I knew I was going to have to pull the tranny again (to install the clutch and flywheel) so I set the shifters into place and loosely bolted them down so-as I didnt forget which way they went. I know about the cables "bolting down" and thats already taken care of. Please understand I am not having any problems with the shifter cables, it the clutch system thats got me baffled. Marty, do you have a top view of that motor/ tranny in the pic and maybe one with the clutch cable bracket mounted on the fiero tranny? I am for some reason thinking I may have one of the generals famous oddballs.
                              Thanks for all the help,
                              Jeremiah
                              Tuning a car is full of compromises. You must decide if you are willing to give up either reliability, performance, or a whole load of cash. Also remember that repairs will seem to come up much more often as you strive for even more performance

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