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    Well let me start off on introducing myself. I am 17 and I have a 93 Corsica 3.1L V6 @ 167K. In adittion to that.. my name is Blake andI love working on cars and find that I am pretty knowledgeable for my age when it comes to automobiles. This looks like a great site and I am hoping to add this Forum to my favorite list. Okay..next.

    My 3spd auto has been giving me some slight problems. First off let me say that when driving the car normally it shifts fine and isn't sloppy or anything. But when I drive it really hard for maybe 15-20 mins, or if I am in hot and heavy stop and go traffic, that is when it starts giving me problems. When I am coming to a stop the car will downshift to 2nd when it's suppose to but not 1st. Its like it forgets but then it tries sometimes. Sometimes it will catch itself, but if it doesn't, then I must downshift it manually via center console shift knob. Sometimes even if I catch it and downshift myself, its like it doesn't do it all the way. You can feel the car trying to move as I have to mash on the brakes. Then the SES light comes on and throws a DTC 33 which is a High Manifold Absolute Pressure. And when that comes on usually when I go to start off again the car will make a whole bunch of griding noises until it shifts into 2nd. No obviously the car will stall if I don't nor the car itself catches it. Now the only way to start off when stalling for me is a nuetral drop. I have tried putting the car in nuetral then starting it and then drive and it will stall. I have tried putting it in park and then starting it and then putting it in drive and it will stall. So the only way for me to get it going is to do a partial throttle netural drop. Of course I don't do a really heavy nuetral drop.

    Now has anyone experienced any symptoms like this? I was wondering if there is any cable to maybe try and adjust. Maybe a certain trans cable expands a lot when it gets hot or something and causes a lot of slack? I highly doubt that since all my cables seem to be just fine. I was thinking its also probably a 2-1 shift selonoid. Oh..the car will still do this even if its a normal temp but I have been running it hard. Well thanx guys for reading this, I know it was a long post. If anyone has any suggestions please comment on this. Thank you.

  • #2
    Since you are getting a manifold pressure code, it could very well be the vacuum modulator for the tranny causing you problems. Just a thought...
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    • #3
      Where is this located and how would I go about inspecting it? I have a service manual...is vacume modulator what I should look under.

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      • #4
        the 125 doesnt have a vacume mod. you are thinking of the 440t4 or 4t60e.

        sounds as if you started off with the valve body getting jammed up, and now you have the valve body tring to aply 2 gears at once, and the car is going into gear bind up. there is no adjustment to be made, what you described sounds like an internal failue. i would take the car into a transmission shop, explain what is happening and have them diagnose it. the transmission will likely need an overhaul.

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        • #5
          the 125 doesnt have a vacume mod. you are thinking of the 440t4 or 4t60e.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by sharkey
            the 125 doesnt have a vacume mod. you are thinking of the 440t4 or 4t60e.

            sounds as if you started off with the valve body getting jammed up, and now you have the valve body tring to aply 2 gears at once, and the car is going into gear bind up. there is no adjustment to be made, what you described sounds like an internal failue. i would take the car into a transmission shop, explain what is happening and have them diagnose it. the transmission will likely need an overhaul.
            Yeah I was afraid of that. I guess I will just wait till the tran goes out and swap a new one in. Maybe I will swap in the 5spd.

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            • #7
              well, honestly, sounds like its pretty well done right now. i wouldnt drive to far from your home, as it sounds like anytime it may need to come back on the hook.

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              • #8
                well see that is the thing...I drive the car everywhere and it works perfectly till I run it hard or lots of stop and go traffic. Now I live in BUFEville so if it shits on me anywhere I won't be in a lot of traffice so it won't be to bad. Plus I got 3 other cars at home to use until I can get the corsica running again. But thanks for all the help guys.

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                • #9
                  It sounds like your TCC selinoid is messed up. It does feel like its in 2nd gear..but im sure its cuz the Tq converter has lost its stall. I know cuz I had one trans do that to me. As I stoped..it would alsmost stall the engine..I would have to put it in nutral...then do a nutral drop to take off..or I would stall. I didn't repair that trans though since I had got it from the J/Yard and had warrenty..it also only had 1st and 2nd..3rd was not working since I had installed it. Heck..I haven't even finished rebuilding my "undestructible" 3t40 yet. The last trans I got from the J/y had a weak line pressure..it had tq converter chatter and sliped in 1st and 3rd. Junk yard trannies suck. Just rebuild it.
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                  • #10
                    yeah, 93 Corsica so it's a 125C - the C means locking converter - I'd recomend tryin' to pull the square plug on the front side of the trans, and drive it like that, drive 'er hard, stop and go, stuff like that, if your stalling problem goes away, you know it's your TCC solenoid. That's an all day project, but it's do-able, or you can have a trans-shop replace it for ya (much easier to let them dig into it anyhow) it's like a $53 part, and you don't have to replace/rebuild your trans because of it.

                    --Dave
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                    • #11
                      It wont be the TCC soliniod.. if the lock up soliniod fails the only problems symptoms you will get are the following..

                      In gear the car will stall when warmed up.. this will happen either when you go from park to drive/reverse or when you are coming to a stop.. You wont get any codes for it though..
                      Or else you will just simply have no lock up at all and you will notice higher rpms on the hwy..

                      TCC SOLINIOD CAUSES NO OTHER SYMPTOMS!

                      The map sensor code you are getting is what is causing the stalling.. that is an engine related problem, not transmission.. the tcc sensor will not cause codes it is not controld by the computer..

                      If your transmission is not down shifting into 2 - 1 then it is a definate valve body or internal transmission related problem.. I do recomend having a shop drive it.. most shops will road test a car and deturmin the problem for free..

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                      • #12
                        The TCC selinoid has locked the tq converter and won't let go..that's what his simptoms point to..I know cuz i had this happen to me. He said nutral drops are the only way to take off. He had that code pop up cuz he was giving it brakes and the engine was high idleling to keep itself from stalling..but with the TQ converter locked...the engine was overladed and im sure there was little vacume to rpm..which would pop that code. I'd say rebuilt it..im sure the 1st gear band is worn by all that...not to mention the TQ converter.
                        88 Beretta GTU turbo . 90 Black ASC/McLaren TGP, awaiting 4t80. 2003 Grand AM se 3400/4t45 daily grind.

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