Clutch issues

[Mr_Efficiency]

I have a 90 GP with a 3.1 that I swaped from auto to 5 speed. The car is still in the air on jackstands, when i put it in gear with it running and the clutch to the floor the wheels start turning and I cant get into reverse with the car running, it just grinds.
Also the clutch pedal sits lower than it should and I hit the floor before it is fully depressed. I modified it so the pedal sat were it should and I can fully depress the clutch pedal now but it still does the same thing... it feels fine tho, the same feel as my 5 speed grand am but it obviously isnt working.
I had the master come apart on me when i was instaling it and had to reassemble it, I know i got it back together right but I cant bleed it and i think that is where my problem is.
How do I bleed the master? Or bleed any part of the system for that matter, there is no bleeder screws anywere. Also is there any way to adjust the clutch? Or does anyone have any other ideas as to what my problem may be?
thanks

[gpse3400]

I have a 90 GP with a 3.1 that I swaped from auto to 5 speed. The car is still in the air on jackstands, when i put it in gear with it running and the clutch to the floor the wheels start turning and I cant get into reverse with the car running, it just grinds.
Also the clutch pedal sits lower than it should and I hit the floor before it is fully depressed. I modified it so the pedal sat were it should and I can fully depress the clutch pedal now but it still does the same thing... it feels fine tho, the same feel as my 5 speed grand am but it obviously isnt working.
I had the master come apart on me when i was instaling it and had to reassemble it, I know i got it back together right but I cant bleed it and i think that is where my problem is.
How do I bleed the master? Or bleed any part of the system for that matter, there is no bleeder screws anywere. Also is there any way to adjust the clutch? Or does anyone have any other ideas as to what my problem may be?
thanks

I'd actually like to see some on answer this because I am curious as well! I know on problem i had with that set up, the bearing came off the fork and the pedal felt all strange. this was during assembly. I gues try to see how the push rod is moving...

[Mr_Efficiency]

The weird thing is the pedal feels fine, like its actually working but it obviously isnt... and I sure hope the throw out bearing didnt fall off the fork or I'll freak, I dont want to pull that fu$#er out again, what a PITA!
I can do it out and in again in an hour on a J, L or N body, but forget a W, its easier to pull the hole engine and trans as one and then seperate... thats what i did.

[Mr_Efficiency]

Found this on another forum, I'm going to give it a try in a few minutes and see what happens.

why the hell would GM make a hydraulic system without a bleeder screw? what a bright idea, i hope that enginer was fired, lol

[Z26-T]

Yeah, I remember reading something on 1 of the beretta forums, think heavywood said he spent a couple hours trying to get his bleed properly, and recommends to just buy 1 that has been pre-bled... If I remember right he ended up buying a pre-bled one.

[Mr_Efficiency]

Yeah ive been fighting with it for a few hours now and its getting better but it still isnt right. Is there anyway to test the master and slave to be sure there not screwed?

[Crazy K]

Have you tried operating the clutch with the wheels on the grounds (or with the brake applied). I am thinking that the clutch dragging may be enough to spin the tranny without the load of the car on the wheels. if it is just a bleed problem, the clutch may only be partially disengaging, creating the drag you see spinning the wheels.

[Mr_Efficiency]

If i apply the brakes in gear with the clutch to the floor the car dies, good thought tho I didnt think of that for a while either, lol

I finnaly got it bled and the pedal is nice and hard but its still not sitting where it should and i'm hitting the floor before the clutch is fully disengaged. The pedal sits just behind the brake pedal and I know it should be a good inch above the brake.
Any ideas on how to correct this?

[1988GTU]

Pop off the rod inside the car and see if you can push the rod all the way down and take note to see if it goes further than it would if it was attached to the assembly.

[Crazy K]

If i apply the brakes in gear with the clutch to the floor the car dies, good thought tho I didn't think of that for a while either, lol

disconnect and temporarily block the vac hose from the booster, and try again.
this time if it stalls, it is only cause you are stalling it through the clutch.

[Mr_Efficiency]

Pop off the rod inside the car and see if you can push the rod all the way down and take note to see if it goes further than it would if it was attached to the assembly.

Thats a good idea, but i didnt think I'd be able to push it in by hand? I'll give it a try tho.

disconnect and temporarily block the vac hose from the booster, and try again.
this time if it stalls, it is only cause you are stalling it through the clutch.

I always thought any kind of clutch dragging effect would be a bad thing tho. shouldnt the clutch be free fleating with the clutch depressed and not touching anything at all... maybe I'll set the car down and give it a try.

it grinds real bad going into reverse tho, thats how i know i'm not getting the clutch depressed all the way.

thanks for the help so far guys

[Mr_Efficiency]

Tried a few diffrent ways of bleeding it and still didnt get any air, I dont think there is anymore air in the line at all, I think i might have found my problem.

When i push my slave into the tranny it only compresses about half of the shaft into the slave which means it can only push that half back out leaving me with a total push of a little more than a half inch. Is there susposed to be some kind of spacer in there to get the push rod that extra half inch or so into the slave, if not i'll make one cause thats what seems to be the problem.
I took a few pics of what i have, is that it or is there susposed to more to it on the end.



Also the end is a little mangled, I tried to get a pic of it but they all came out fuzzy, here they are anyways tho.





the sunbird slave i have has a plastic end to it, is mine susposed to have that. it might give me that extra bit of push i need.

Also i fixed my pedal, heres my adjustable push rod on the master the pics are taken with the camera pointed up under the dash. Master end is on the bottom of the pic and teh pedal at the top. these also came out blurry.





just a bunch of bolts welded together and then welded to the rod after i cut it off, lol makes adjusting the pedal a cake walk... should have been like this from the factory, lol

and of course i had to have a spiffy rice burner shifter knob, lol



So whats up with the end of my slave am I missing anything there?
thanks guys

[pocket-rocket]

That's not supposed to be bare metal on the end like that. Let me go outside and see if I can't get a pic on the 91 since it's half way apart.

[1988GTU]

You are missing the little plastic like bearing that normally goes on the tip of that rod. They come with the purchase of every new slave. You might have to go pick one up from the yard or make one.

[Mr_Efficiency]

when you put the slave on the tranny how hard is it to push it on all teh way by hand? I can push mine all the way, it takes some effort but it can be done pretty easily, is that a bad thing?