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how do we go about revealing more of the tuneable tables in a bin file? I don't have anything specific that I'm looking for, but it would be neat to see what else is in there, and what else we might be able to do with it.
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I attached the file my tune is based on."I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."Comment
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I have the database open in tiny tuner, so I can see alot. but I know there are things left out. just like on the the 04 Grand prix GT bin I was looking at the other day."I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."Comment
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if you want to really get into it, you're going to have to disassemble a target BIN in something like IDA and go from there. and it's a LONG process from there.Comment
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what kind of software would I need?"I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."Comment
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Are you an assembly programmer? I've done a bit of x86 assembly here and there but I can't imagine the amount of hours required to make sense of an ECM binary disassembly
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no, I'm not, I just like learning how to do new things. tuning/programming and suspension design are both on my list of things to learn."I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."Comment
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I'm all for you expanding on obdII tuning but it would probably take an extensive amount of time.
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time is one thing I don't have this instant, but I should have a little more to work with soon.
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I've made what I think is good progress on the 5 speed conversion info. things like the clutch anticipate input should help alot, along with the proper programming.Last edited by ericjon262; 04-12-2013, 01:45 AM."I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."Comment
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If you're unfamiliar with assembly programming, its basically machine code expanded into something that can be read.
Generally one command per line of code, very basic.
I've never looked at an ECM binary disassembly but I imagine to make sense of it you would have to start from the very beginning of the code and trace every command, taking notes, to figure it all out. If you had an idea of where the tuning scalars and tables were located that would help immensely, but it would still take forever.'89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
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You will want to put your head in a vice if you attempt to figure out a bin file and have no programming background... LOL I'm an IT Admin, but I specialize in hardware networking and base software setups... I do not dabble in programming so I don't even try to figure out tables in bin files.
Eddie is the one who wrote TinyTuners and he spent a lot of time digging to find what he did... Unfortunately I don't think he is digging any further, but really what we need is a few guys who don't mind doing this and try to get an open source group going. Subaru has a huge open source tuning following and they have some guys who tear apart these files so I don't see why we couldn't do the same but obviously it would require a lot of time invested by those who truly understand this stuff. And I don't think it would be right for them to not be compensated in some way for it either, but with the donations that I see the website not getting I fear that we don't have the support to motivate those people. The Subaru group has also written an entire program to scan and tune with on top of opening up these files...
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i got bored and decided to do a quick(and probably incomplete) disassembly....
good luck. maybe you'll see something i don't, but i hate trying to keep up with the CPU32 core, has WAY too many registers to keep track of.
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Thanks! looks like it's time for me to learn a new language...Originally posted by robertisaar View Post
I'll see what I can do. but after looking at the file robertisaar posted, it'll be a while before I have any real data to give... it is less cryptic then I expected though.Originally posted by 3400-95-Modified View Post"I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."Comment
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not only a new language, a new way of thinking. since you have the database for tinytuner open, maybe you can start matching tables up and see some of the patterns that are bound to come up between similar tables.Comment
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