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Im going to replace my 02 sensor on my new engine since i totally raped it while trying to get it out. I heard some things about 'wideband' & 'narrowband' sensors... Whats the difference? Witch do I want? Any other usefull 02 sensor info welcome.
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you use wideband for tuning purpose. more accurate.
correct me if im wrong but isnt the stock form a narrowband.sigpic
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Yes narrow band is what the ECM uses.
Wideband is for tuning, as it's much more accurate/wider range of viewing the AFR. Some Widebands come with a narrowband conversion output box thingy for the ECM and you can run one O2. But I've heard widebands do not last that many miles so it shouldn't be your main O2.sigpic
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As geldartb said, you would use a wideband O2 sensor when you want to get serious about your tune. It's considerably more accurate and has more AFR range than the stock narrowband sensor. Your narrowband sensor is limited to just 14.7 AFR. Most wideband sensors can handle a range from 9 to 16 AFR. One thing to keep in mind is they are not directly interhangable. Yes they both fit the same O2 bung, but they run on different voltages. Narrowband range from 0 to 1 Volts, while wideband range from 0 to 5 Volts. Thus your PCM won't recognize a wideband sensor unless the controller for that sensor has a simulated narrowband output. This would have to be hard wired in place. I don't know of any places that make plug and play kits for this.Your local OBDII moderator
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isnt there a wideband that has narrow band output too?3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
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There is no wideband sensor that has a narrowband output. Instead the controller for the wideband sensor can have a narrowband output as well as the wideband output. The LM1/LC1, UEGO and PLX controllers can all do this.Originally posted by merlot566jka View PostYour local OBDII moderator
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Yeah im just gona go with a narrow band. The wideband seems like alot of work and sure maybe if it was a plug&play but im just gona get the car running before i start adding a bunch of stuff
??? Id prob get the acdelco unless its like really expensive or somthing..Originally posted by Canyonero View Post
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After AC Delco I'd say go for Denso. Sparkplugs.com has good prices.sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
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X2Originally posted by IsaacHayes View Post
Stay away from Bosch for narrowband sensors. GM PCMs don't like them for some reason.Your local OBDII moderator
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Not to burst any bubbles but gm DIS doesnt like bosch platinum plugs either :S.You may or may not know 10 times what i do.
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I have Bosch.
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So, if I may digress slightly: I have new Bosch HO2S (AC Delco would have cost $100 more for the pair, and I didn't know better), what symptoms might I be experiencing? Will they die young or will I run rich and get bad mileage or what?'98 Volvo V90 - Ford 5.0 swap in progress
'96 LR Range Rover 4.6 HSE - suspiciously reliable
'92 Volvo 740 Wagon - former parts car, now daily-driver beater
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The complaints run from rough engine operation to hard starting to poor gas mileage.Your local OBDII moderator
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