$A1 has the option to use an electonic tranny?

[robertisaar]

heres a section from the hack...

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** F31 SHIFT PARAMETERS **
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** NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 4 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER*
9183 00 0 KSOLDEF %00000000 STATE BIT 0 = SOL A, BIT 1 = SOL B, 1ST GEAR
9184 00 0 KSOLDEF2 %00000000 STATE BIT 0 = SOL A, BIT 1 = SOL B, 2ND GEAR
9185 00 0 KSOLDEF3 %00000000 STATE BIT 0 = SOL A, BIT 1 = SOL B, 3RD GEAR
9186 00 0 KSOLDEF4 %00000000 STATE BIT 0 = SOL A, BIT 1 = SOL B, 4TH GEAR
** NOTE: THE PRECEDING 4 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER*
**************************************
* LOW RANGE SHIFT PATTERN PARAMETERS *
**************************************
9187 00 0 KLO12 0 MPH IF MPH > CAL, PRNDL LOW, SHIFT 1 TO 2
9188 00 0 KLO21 0 MPH IF MPH < CAL, PRNDL LOW, SHIFT 2 TO 1
*************************************
* KICKDOWN SHIFT PATTERN PARAMETERS *
*************************************
9189 00 0 KDETNTLO 0 %TPS IF IN KICKDOWN, TPS < CAL, DISABLE KICKDOWN
918A 00 0 KDETNTHI 0 %TPS IF TPS > CAL, ENABLE KICKDOWN MODE

** NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 3 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER
918B 00 0 KICK21 0 MPH KICKDOWN 2-1 DOWNSHIFT SPEED
918C 00 0 KICK32 0 MPH KICKDOWN 3-2 DOWNSHIFT SPEED
918D 00 0 KICK43 0 MPH KICKDOWN 4-3 DOWNSHIFT SPEED
* NOTE: THE PRECEDING 3 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER**

* NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 3 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER**
918E 00 0 KIC12ENA 0 MPH KICKDOWN 1-2 SHIFT ENABLE SPEED
918F 00 0 KIC23ENA 0 MPH KICKDOWN 2-3 SHIFT ENABLE SPEED
9190 00 0 KIC34ENA 0 MPH KICKDOWN 3-4 SHIFT ENABLE SPEED
* NOTE: THE PRECEDING 3 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER**

* NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 3 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER**
9191 0000 0 KIC12RPM 0 RPM KICKDOWN 1-2 SHIFT ENGINE RPM SHIFT POINT
9193 0000 0 KIC23RPM 0 RPM KICKDOWN 2-3 SHIFT ENGINE RPM SHIFT POINT
9195 0000 0 KIC34RPM 0 RPM KICKDOWN 3-4 SHIFT ENGINE RPM SHIFT POINT
* NOTE: THE PRECEDING 3 PARAMETERS MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER*

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* PERFORMANCE SHIFT PATTERN TABLES *
************************************
** NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 3 TABLES MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER*
***********************************************
* F1P21 TABLE -- PERFORMANCE 2-1 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
9197 00 0 F1P21 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
9198 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
9199 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
919A 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
919B 00 0 0 MPH 25
919C 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
919D 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
919E 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
919F 00 0 0 MPH 50
91A0 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
91A1 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
91A2 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
91A3 00 0 0 MPH 75
91A4 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
91A5 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
91A6 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
91A7 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1P32 TABLE -- PERFORMANCE 3-2 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
91A8 00 0 F1P32 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
91A9 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
91AA 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
91AB 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
91AC 00 0 0 MPH 25
91AD 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
91AE 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
91AF 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
91B0 00 0 0 MPH 50
91B1 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
91B2 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
91B3 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
91B4 00 0 0 MPH 75
91B5 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
91B6 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
91B7 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
91B8 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1P43 TABLE -- PERFORMANCE 4-3 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
91B9 00 0 F1P43 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
91BA 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
91BB 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
91BC 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
91BD 00 0 0 MPH 25
91BE 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
91BF 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
91C0 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
91C1 00 0 0 MPH 50
91C2 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
91C3 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
91C4 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
91C5 00 0 0 MPH 75
91C6 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
91C7 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
91C8 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
91C9 00 0 0 MPH 100

*NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 3 TABLES MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER*
***********************************************
* F1P12 TABLE -- PERFORMANCE 1-2 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
91CA 00 0 F1P12 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
91CB 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
91CC 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
91CD 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
91CE 00 0 0 MPH 25
91CF 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
91D0 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
91D1 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
91D2 00 0 0 MPH 50
91D3 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
91D4 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
91D5 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
91D6 00 0 0 MPH 75
91D7 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
91D8 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
91D9 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
91DA 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1P23 TABLE -- PERFORMANCE 2-3 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
91DB 00 0 F1P23 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
91DC 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
91DD 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
91DE 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
91DF 00 0 0 MPH 25
91E0 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
91E1 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
91E2 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
91E3 00 0 0 MPH 50
91E4 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
91E5 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
91E6 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
91E7 00 0 0 MPH 75
91E8 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
91E9 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
91EA 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
91EB 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1P34 TABLE -- PERFORMANCE 3-4 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
91EC 00 0 F1P34 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
91ED 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
91EE 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
91EF 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
91F0 00 0 0 MPH 25
91F1 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
91F2 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
91F3 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
91F4 00 0 0 MPH 50
91F5 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
91F6 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
91F7 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
91F8 00 0 0 MPH 75
91F9 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
91FA 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
91FB 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
91FC 00 0 0 MPH 100
* NOTE: THE PRECEDING 3 TABLES MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER*

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* NORMAL SHIFT PATTERN TABLES *
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* NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 3 TABLES MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER*
***********************************************
* F1N21 TABLE -- NORMAL 2-1 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
91FD 00 0 F1N21 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
91FE 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
91FF 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
9200 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
9201 00 0 0 MPH 25
9202 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
9203 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
9204 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
9205 00 0 0 MPH 50
9206 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
9207 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
9208 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
9209 00 0 0 MPH 75
920A 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
920B 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
920C 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
920D 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1N32 TABLE -- NORMAL 3-2 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
920E 00 0 F1N32 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
920F 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
9210 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
9211 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
9212 00 0 0 MPH 25
9213 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
9214 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
9215 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
9216 00 0 0 MPH 50
9217 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
9218 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
9219 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
921A 00 0 0 MPH 75
921B 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
921C 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
921D 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
921E 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1N43 TABLE -- NORMAL 4-3 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
921F 00 0 F1N43 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
9220 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
9221 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
9222 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
9223 00 0 0 MPH 25
9224 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
9225 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
9226 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
9227 00 0 0 MPH 50
9228 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
9229 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
922A 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
922B 00 0 0 MPH 75
922C 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
922D 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
922E 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
922F 00 0 0 MPH 100
************************************************
* NOTE: THE FOLLOWING 3 TABLES MUST BE KEPT TOGETHER IN ORDER
* F1N12 TABLE -- NORMAL 1-2 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
9230 00 0 F1N12 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
9231 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
9232 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
9233 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
9234 00 0 0 MPH 25
9235 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
9236 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
9237 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
9238 00 0 0 MPH 50
9239 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
923A 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
923B 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
923C 00 0 0 MPH 75
923D 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
923E 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
923F 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
9240 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1N23 TABLE -- NORMAL 2-3 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
9241 00 0 F1N23 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
9242 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
9243 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
9244 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
9245 00 0 0 MPH 25
9246 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
9247 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
9248 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
9249 00 0 0 MPH 50
924A 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
924B 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
924C 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
924D 00 0 0 MPH 75
924E 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
924F 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
9250 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
9251 00 0 0 MPH 100

***********************************************
* F1N34 TABLE -- NORMAL 3-4 SHIFT LINE *
* VEH SPEED VS. % THROTTLE *
* TABLE VALUE = MPH *
***********************************************
9252 00 0 F1N34 0 MPH 00 %-TPS
9253 00 0 0 MPH 06.25
9254 00 0 0 MPH 12.5
9255 00 0 0 MPH 18.75
9256 00 0 0 MPH 25
9257 00 0 0 MPH 31.25
9258 00 0 0 MPH 37.5
9259 00 0 0 MPH 43.75
925A 00 0 0 MPH 50
925B 00 0 0 MPH 56.25
925C 00 0 0 MPH 62.5
925D 00 0 0 MPH 68.75
925E 00 0 0 MPH 75
925F 00 0 0 MPH 81.25
9260 00 0 0 MPH 87.5
9261 00 0 0 MPH 93.75
9262 00 0 0 MPH 100

it has tables set up the same way as a DF bin would. this is from a manual tranny car, so it will definitely be blank no matter what. but i've also looked over the couple of automatic A1 BINs i have as well, also blank.

i'm starting to wonder if a 7727/7730 can run a 4t60-e...

[robertisaar]

BTW, i don't just run through hacks for no reason.... i made what i believe to be the most complete $A1 XDF to date. i managed to pump it up to 170KB....

EDIT: removed the XDF, newest version is at the TP site

[bszopi]

I don't think the 7730/7727 will run the electronic tranny even if the code is there, for one reason - memory. The electonic trannies are run with the 9396 ECM, which added more memory, mainly for the ability to run the tranny.

[robertisaar]

right, i've read the same thing somewhere before. i know the EPROM has some onboard RAM, but i can't remember how much. it would be nice if i could figure out how to read that section of the code to see what all space is left...

[sil]

i wonder if you could run it on a 9396 since it is essentialy the same as a 7730 but with memory on it....

pinout might need changing ??

i dunno... id be willing to try it once im back in my house...next week, but i have no idea what is required lol

[robertisaar]

since there is only one flag to change to enable it, not much, other than all of the tables related to it are completely blank...

i imagine it could run, but DF has a few advantages over it, i'm not sure why anyone would run A1 in place of it...

pinout might need slight adjustment, just have to match it to a 1227727 running A1, which is any 91-92 3.1 W body...

if you want the diagram, i'll post it.

[sil]

sure, id like to have the info just for yuks,
mines a 93 gp

[robertisaar]

this should work obviously it's not going to show the pins for the shift solenoids, but it shouldn't be too tough to figure out...

[sil]

cool, do you have something with the 8f diagram

[robertisaar]

ask, and ye shall receive.... or something like that.

[sil]

tyvm! now all i need to do is biggy back this 8f and let the df control the tranny
then get a turbo !!!!!!!!!!

[robertisaar]

..... you know, for as long as i've thought about it, i don't know why that exact setup didn't cross my mind.

i figured i would have to play with the algorithm enough to allow a 2-BAR MAP with DF to use boost...

but now...

8F controlling fuel/spark and DF for tranny... that sounds like a very workable setup.

[IsaacHayes]

Are you guys talking 2 PCM's or overlaying 8F and DF code together?

[robertisaar]

2 PCMs. trying to stitch together 8F and DF could work, but there's much less complexity when going about it this way.

BTW: i just thought of something better:

DF + 59