So..

[RednBlack]

GMPCM post made no sense at all. Except for reducing the 660 site to a hacker.

Thanx.

I thought Aaron was lame.....

[Manitcor]

yes pretty much, Im surprised honestly, I thought people knew better than todo such things. It makes me wonder if I should keep an eye on things closer than just providing technical support.

What happens if I go on vacation and then I come back and find every site I run shut down?

[ryan.hess]

Re: So..

I thought Aaron was lame.....

Maybe when Bill Gates hacks into your computer and trashes your copy of Windows, you'll begin to understand how we, the paying customers of GMPCM, feel.

[Manitcor]

Re: So..

I thought Aaron was lame.....

Maybe when Bill Gates hacks into your computer and trashes your copy of Windows, you'll begin to understand how we, the paying customers of GMPCM, feel.

I understand how you feel, but that does not give anyone the right to do what they did, particularly when your actions threaten to damage the livelyhood of someone who is not even involved not to mention the fact that what was being promoted was entirely illegal.

There are solutions to your problem however all I see are people who want to cry about it rather than do anything constructive.

[ryan.hess]

Re: So..

I understand how you feel, but that does not give anyone the right to do what they did, particularly when your actions threaten to damage the livelyhood of someone who is not even involved not to mention the fact that what was being promoted was entirely illegal.

There are solutions to your problem however all I see are people who want to cry about it rather than do anything constructive.

That was not my intention, and I'm sure it was no one else's intention either.

However, since you brought it up, I am all ears about your "constructive ideas". Mick has shown he does not want to listen, so our "cries" fall on deaf ears. So please enlighten me (us) on the next step.

[Manitcor]

Re: So..

I understand how you feel, but that does not give anyone the right to do what they did, particularly when your actions threaten to damage the livelyhood of someone who is not even involved not to mention the fact that what was being promoted was entirely illegal.

There are solutions to your problem however all I see are people who want to cry about it rather than do anything constructive.

That was not my intention, and I'm sure it was no one else's intention either.

However, since you brought it up, I am all ears about your "constructive ideas". Mick has shown he does not want to listen, so our "cries" fall on deaf ears. So please enlighten me (us) on the next step.

Your next step, as I have said many times would be the same next step any consumer has to re-dress against a business. Contact your legal counsul and advise them of the situation. They can direct you in what you need todo. Beyond that you can contact both the attorny general for your state and the Better Business Bearu. If Mick refuses to speak to his customers that does not lead to a dead end. If things end up going to court he will be required to appear or have legal consul of his own appear or be held in contempt IE a warrnt for his arrest will be issued if he does not respond to a summons.

No one is going todo these things for you, and as with all things theres no gaurentee you will get what you are looking for but those are the legal avenues you have.

[ryan.hess]

Unlike other industries, programmers, companies that produce software, and the like have no legal requirements to produce software that works. There are no consumer protections involved. If you buy a (license to) piece of software, and the copyright owner decides to send malicious code via the internet to all of his software, effectively destroying all the software ever sold... There are no reprocussions. The consumer bought a license. Blowing up the software nullified that license. There are no laws saying the copyright owner has to restore the software to working condition.

This is where we stand right now. There is no appropriate course of legal action.

[Mars]

Concentrate your efforts to making a Tunerpro .xdf file for the $A1. it's the only one that's not available....

Mick can't do a damn thing about that, cause it has nothing to do with GMPCM.

[Manitcor]

thats where you are wrong, Im not familiar with the software however they typically come with use licenses and an EULA that defines the terms of the use agreements. This is typically a case by case basis type of thing which is why if your really intrested you should contact legal counsel as they will be better armed to provide you with options.

What you "think" and what really may be are two different things. I will wager that you are no more a legal expert than I. Which is I reccomend a lawyer. Further continuned complaints to the BBB and the attorny general can possibly make life unconfortable for mick as they call and question him on these issues.

While most software agreements make no garuentee of opertaion or succes with working in your operating system. if it can be proven that the software was disabled on paying customers and evidence can be presented as such it is possible that you can have a breech type situation. Where you may at least be open to a refund.

Also as I said before there are provisions in the DMCA that cover software that has been effectively abandoned and where reverse enginnering is allowed for research, development and for the purpose of getting data you own out of a legacy system. However someone has to get a court to agree that the software has in fact been abandoned. From looking at the site, despite the message on the home page there seems to be proof that he may still be developing the software even though hes not publishing it.

Ive been devloping entrprise software for close to 10 years now so I am very familiar with the issues surrounding license agreements as well as copy protection, DRM and reverse enginnering.

At the end of the day currently no one has even attemtped to try any legal avenues and went stright to trying to crack protected software on a public forum. Your (and others) actions caused me personally lost time and almost lost business. Regaurdless of how you may "feel" there is a right way of going about things and a wrong way. So far the way you have been doing things is most certainly the wrong way and on top of that you have managed to drag people into a situation who had no desire to be involved.

[ryan.hess]

Excerpts from EULA:

User acknowledges that no title to the intellectual property in the software is transferred and further acknowledges that full ownership rights to the Software will remain the exclusive property of Michael W. Backus dba “GMPCM”. User will not acquire any rights to the Software except as expressly set forth in this license.

This license is in effect until terminated.

here's something interesting in the help file:

Important Note:
The GMPCM software was originally intended to be freeware, with absolutely no licensing costs involved.

[ryan.hess]

Concentrate your efforts to making a Tunerpro .xdf file for the $A1. it's the only one that's not available....

Might have to. Tunerpro is pretty good, but unfortunately everything is grouped into constants and tables. In my limited experience with it, I haven't found a way to make subcategories.

[Mars]

Concentrate your efforts to making a Tunerpro .xdf file for the $A1. it's the only one that's not available....

Might have to. Tunerpro is pretty good, but unfortunately everything is grouped into constants and tables. In my limited experience with it, I haven't found a way to make subcategories.

Just takes a bit of getting used to.

Insted of having 500 different tables, and constants, The ones I am satisfied with (fan temps, VSS signals...ECT.) I delete right off the .xdf, they will never need to be tweaked ever again, you get rid of all the tables and constants you don't use.

I have 2 .xdf files now, one "simple" one and the original one. It's not a bad way to do it.

As it sits right now, I have about 30 constants, and 15 tables. I no longer needed any flags, so they are also gone.

[RednBlack]

How about just drop it, and move on. It is really a mute point. No win, no lose. Sorry I started this thread.
This isn't 660s style.

Start over with our own.
Please lock it.

[firechiken]

In before the Lock!

[RednBlack]

Ditto.