Might be selling '91 Grand Prix.

[Lazzer408]

I'm going to give one last go at figuring out this clacking noise after a timing belt went. If it's not a 1 day <$200 fix... fuk it. This was a good deal but not worth the time to me. I've been done with GM for years now. Life is so much easier without them. Enough bashing... about the car.

-105k mi
-White car white rims gray interior. Leather I think.
-very very little rust (except on frames under the car)
-dirty interior but would clean up nice. It's all there.
-It runs great but makes a clatter.
-All the electronics actually work except the mirrors. (likely the switch) and the passenger's side power seat didn't do something. I think the tilt was out.
-P-brake works. New rear rotors, rear calipers, rear pads. (could use a front brake job)
-Sliding Power Sunroof? (Did they all have this or is it an option?)
-Good tires but the rears now have flat spots from draging it out of the garage.

I really hate to junk it because it's just neglected. It's still a solid car and from what I understand rare? Anyway... I'm just not dealing with GM's bulls*** anymore. (No timing marks? wtf...)

If your interested get back to me. The car is in northeast Illinois.

-Jeff

Lazzer408@yahoo.com

[dohcfiend]

interesting selling tactics, not effective but interesting.

the 3.4 dohc timing belts are not for the weak of heart(or mind).

is it a 5spd or an auto?

it sounds like the car has a 3.4 dohc in it. either it is an optioned se/gt or a gtp, which is it?

the 5 spd cars are uncommon and the leather interior but if it is an auto i do not see it being rare.

the power moonroofs may be an option but i have seen alot of them in gp's.

some pix would help.

so what brand(of car) did u end up going with?

[Lazzer408]

It's an Grand Prix STE 3.4L 4dr Auto. I'll get pics soon.

Selling tactics? Na, just being honest. The way american car manufacturers design cars has two flaws. "engineered obsolescence" and "profitable repair and maintenance" They could make great cars. They choose to make "ok" cars. I own a '98 Lumina (another good deal) and a '94 Mazda Miata that I turbo'd and tuned with AEM's EMS. It gobbles 'vettes all day. I'm building a 450hp engine for it at the moment. =) I'm 34 and I've been building, fixing, and tuning cars for 20 years. Probably why I'm tired of it. lol Having to deal with engines like the 3.4 just remind me why I don't do it for a living anymore.
The noise is likely the chain. I didn't want to admit it. I'm pulling the cover off tomorrow and replacing the set. So if all goes well the car will have the above mentioned as well as...

-New timing chain
-New front main seal, gaskets
-New timing belt, tensioner, tensioner pullys, and idler pullys

[pwmin]

life is so much easier without cars in general. gms arent any worse than anything else.

[MATT2007]

Detroit iron or Japanese aluminum I hate foreran cars you cant make a Honda or any thing with less than 6 cylinders fast with out a lot of money I took my 91 Beretta to the drag strip and walked all over 4 cylinders all day with just an exhaust

[Lazzer408]

Detroit iron or Japanese aluminum I hate foreran cars you cant make a Honda or any thing with less than 6 cylinders fast with out a lot of money I took my 91 Beretta to the drag strip and walked all over 4 cylinders all day with just an exhaust

I boosted my Miata for $500 bucks and walk all over GTs with it. It's all a matter of where you source your parts. There's more "American" companies selling "American" parts but if you know where to look you can find everything you need to make any car fast.

on your Beretta. It's all power to weight bro and per cc (sorry, "ci") American engines don't make the hp. How about a 400hp 1.8L as a daily driver? 400/1.8x5.7=1266hp So a GM 5.7 can make 1266hp as a daily driver? I don't think so Tim.

[1988GTU]

It's an Grand Prix STE 3.4L 4dr Auto.The noise is likely the chain. I didn't want to admit it. I'm pulling the cover off tomorrow and replacing the set. So if all goes well the car will have the above mentioned as well as...

-New timing chain
-New front main seal, gaskets
-New timing belt, tensioner, tensioner pullys, and idler pullys

So you dont have a timing BELT? If you do NOT have a belt it is a 3.1MPFI Turbocharged car. EASY car to work on/with. Everything is straight forward with a helms.

[Lazzer408]

So you dont have a timing BELT? If you do NOT have a belt it is a 3.1MPFI Turbocharged car. EASY car to work on/with. Everything is straight forward with a helms.

I have a timing belt. It says in my post and also in the text you quoted. It also says it's the 3.4L

[1988GTU]

So you're replacing that chain behind the belt while in the car? Good luck! lmao.

[Lazzer408]

So you're replacing that chain behind the belt while in the car? Good luck! lmao.

yes. it's a pain in the ass....hence my bitching.

[GPRacer]

<$200, most likely if you do it yourself.
<1 day, most likely not, if you do it yourself, lol, especially if never done before

[Lazzer408]

<$200, most likely if you do it yourself.
<1 day, most likely not, if you do it yourself, lol, especially if never done before

Things get expencive like $100 tensioner? As far as time goes The belt would be a 1hr job if the cam sprockets were key'd with timing marks. It's just patience really. Take it down one piece at a time till you get to it. The fact that it was "designed" this way further disapoints me in americans.

[SappySE107]

The fact that it was "designed" this way further disapoints me in americans.

Was that necessary?

[dohcfiend]

Things get expencive like $100 tensioner? As far as time goes The belt would be a 1hr job if the cam sprockets were key'd with timing marks. It's just patience really. Take it down one piece at a time till you get to it. The fact that it was "designed" this way further disapoints me in americans.

i actually like the "design". i can make any cam timing adjustments i like. on the imports you have to buy sprockets for that ability. also i have timed a nissan 3.0 dohc v6 for a friend, much harder IMO. also what was up with the distributors on the cam sprockets, could have went to DI like gm back in the late 80's/early 90's.

It's all power to weight bro and per cc (sorry, "ci") American engines don't make the hp. How about a 400hp 1.8L as a daily driver? 400/1.8x5.7=1266hp So a GM 5.7 can make 1266hp as a daily driver? I don't think so Tim.

i call bs on that equation. 400hp@8000 rpm and 48tq@6000rpm. a 400hp/400tq american v8 would smoke that combo. for example lets use a mazda rx-7, drop a turbo 1.8 in it(i am pretty sure it isn't n/a and "streetable") making 400 hp and 250 tq at whatever rpm. take the same car and drop a 400hp/400 tq ls2 and i am fairly certain it would win and would be extremely "streetable".

also how much boost and more importantly how much fuel would you have to pump into that 1.8 to get 400 hp? how are 56+lb injectors, whatever boost and alcohol injection streetable? you put the same parts on a v8 and you probably could get 1266hp out of it.

[Lazzer408]

Wow you missed all of it. nvm.