Bush is like Hitler...?

[Ortie666]

If you fly Sevral tons of steel and kerosene at 400 mph into a building it will explode and burn very hot. The towers stood for at least 10 minutes burning from the inside after they got hit, then came down shredding everything that was inside. Ever seen thousands of tons of steel and cement fall the height of a skyscraper? There's not much left when it hits the ground. Ever seen a plane crash at 400 mph on tv? What's left gets scattered everywhere and if it's at a steep enough angle (like the pentagon case) it buries itself in the ground. .

Will it now??? you just dug you own hole admitting that they used cement in the construction of those so... #1 flying tons of ALUMINUM, NOT steel into a building with re-enforced HARDEND "STEEL" beams with "CONCRETE" around them would not make anything happen... Jetfuel/ Kerosene doesn't burn that hot.. (dump it on some bricks and see if the melt- Ull be wating for a lifetime).. #2 compared to those big buildings that plane hitting it was like a little aluminum fly hitting a flower.. it would make damage were it hit but it defanatly wouldent be strong enough to make it collapse 50min. after it hit it.. Tink of it this way what do u use to mill/lathe aluminum.. well u use highspeed steel or carbide inserts witch are ultra high carbon steel.. so these inserts are stationary, but the aluminum is hitting it at a good 600 rpm witch could very well be 400mph being the right diameter on a lathe... does it wreck the tip after 50 min..??? NO IT DOSENT u can MILL, IT ALL FUCKIN DAY W/ OUT ANYTHING HAPPENING.. just a small example of the big picture.. c'mon this is an engine site were suposed to be educated... take a second to think about the logic of a couple tons of "High Octane/COOL BURNING" fuel straped to a 10 tons of ALUMINUM/Titanium/Magnisium, hitting a structure weighing prolly a million Tons and it was designed to withstand a plane hitting it in the first place..

[CNCguy]

All I can say is... "what a bunch of fucking idiots" who believe anything they read that supports thier personal feelings or political agenda and spread it around like it's fact.

15.9% of people do not have insurance... not 85% as stated. http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthi...hlth05asc.html

Ortie... You say jet fuel doesn't burn that hot.... when there are 24,000 gallons of jet fuel, office furniture and other building contents burning, it creates alot of heat. The mechanical properties of steel changes well below melting point.

Not all of the steel was surrounded with concrete, the main concrete areas were the floors. Not that it matters, take a small propane torch and hold it to some concrete and see what happens. Be sure to get real close so you can get good look. Bricks are not the same as concrete, bricks are kiln dried.

You may view it as an aluminum fly but 300,00 pounds of anything moving at 400 MPH has alot of energy.

Not that it is relevant, but to achieve 400mph (35,200 SFM) on a lathe, you would need to spin a 6" diameter part 22,409 rpm and trust me, no tool would last very long at that speed.

The building did withstand the impact of the plane, it just couldn't withstand the heat along with the stuctural damage from the impact.

Sorry to be such a smart ass... but lies, misrepresentation and stupidity really piss me off.

[Ortie666]

ur saying stupidity pisses u off, what was funny is that day was one of the most famous days in history because 3 buildings collapsed after a fire one of witch was 3 blocks away from the trades center and it just so happend to have no one in it, and it was full of FBI, DEA, and other topsecret files... but that has nothing to do with 2 buildings falling PERFECTLY STRAIGHT DOWN, AT "FREEFALL" rate, 50 min. after some 2000 degree jetfuel burnt off on impact.. witch was not burning anymore after 50 min.. ask urself this the one plane hit the "SIDE" of the building dont ya think mabye the top of the building should have fallen like a tree chopped with an axe.. well of course not kuss thats not how the demilition crew set it up... call me stupid or w.e u want, I know what I saw and heard and there is no way that those building should have fallen after 50min of burning.. being that buildings have burnt for 24 hours w.o collapsing and they were ACTUALY ON FIRE... not juss smoking away... but like I said what do I care.. I live in canada.. I want the gas prices to go down too, so c'mon americans goto war, listen to ur government, and not what really happend, or all the people on FOX news coming out of the buildings wounded and saying that there was explosions going off down the elevator shafts..

[85maro]

I can't stand the stupid urban propaganda bull that some people come up with. I guess the holicaust never happened, we never landed on the moon and JFK was assasinated by the CIA too... next time I see santa claus I'll ask him what really happened.

'CNCguy', the world needs more smart asses, it keeps the bullshitters on their toes.

[RednBlack]

Good post Marc. I have to add also that any LARGE object, such as an airliner, striking a building, disentigrating or not, is going to do more damage than any engineer could have designed into it. They were started in in 1966 by the way. (The Towers) Would it be different if all those people were saved, and the planes hit the Statue of Liberty? I retaliate! This is my land, and my people. Kudos to GWB for even trying. (If it were me, I would have turned their desert into glass)

And then there is the fire. Structural steel is not meant to be heated....Why am I explaining this? READ!!

http://architecture.about.com/library/weekly/aawtc-collapse.htm

Not that it matters, take a small propane torch and hold it to some concrete and see what happens. Be sure to get real close so you can get good look.

Wear safety glasses.

We are blessed with the freedom of critisism of our leaders. Try it in most other countries. And it really pisses me, when people don't vote, then bitch.

Anyone posting on this thread not vote? Canadiens excluded.

[prophiseer]

I can tell ya I vote clear on down to the local elections (around here it doesn't matter much at the city level), it's always irritated me those that don't vote seem to raise the biggest bitching fest when shit starts getting rank.

I'll say again, I never voted for bush in 2000, nor again in 2004, and will be thrilled to see his ass out in '08. That's just my viewpoint.

we never landed on the moon

I'm leaving that one alone, though . . .


Anyways, with the trade towers . . . it's highly possible that some corners might have been cut during the construction of the building way back when. Engineering standards and practices weren't as tight and advanced about things as they are now . . . hell, within the last 10 years major leaps in skyscraper construction practices have been made in Japan, leading to safer, more structurally secure buildings (many designs to help them stand up to earthquakes).

[85maro]

we never landed on the moon...

prophiseer-

I'm leaving that one alone, though...

I'm a patriot before I'm a diplomat. Someone can bash my country till their face is blue but start spreading bull and I get ticked. I'm goanna step off my soap box now.

Ps I voted and still have the sticker on my radio.

[Ortie666]

Wow, hold the phone!!! im not bashing america, infact I like going down to the states better than this shithole up here.. I just have a problem with ur crooked government.. but hey I supose the Canadian one is no better.. its juss not as publisized as the U.S. one..

[bszopi]

I'm just waiting for someone to go with the group that said there were no planes at all... All the video that was on the news was fake and all the interviews on the street were staged. Yeah, there are people out there who believe that.

[CNCguy]

Just found an interesting site regarding the 9/11 topic... http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=1

[ryan.hess]

ask urself this the one plane hit the "SIDE" of the building dont ya think mabye the top of the building should have fallen like a tree chopped with an axe..

It didn't hit the side. It went straight through the middle of the building and out the other side. (didn't you see the footage? It was played back only 5,000 times...)

Build a house of cards, and take out the middle with a baseball, and see if it falls to the side like a tree, or folds in on itself.

[sprucegagt]

ask urself this the one plane hit the "SIDE" of the building dont ya think mabye the top of the building should have fallen like a tree chopped with an axe.. well of course not kuss thats not how the demilition crew set it up...

You really should do some research on how the WTC towers were built before posting your bullshit. The towers were made with a major portion of there support structure on the outside of the building. Instead of inside like most builidings. This was a big advancement at the time because it allowed more open space inside the building.

Please read before posting ->http://people.howstuffworks.com/wtc6.htm

[prophiseer]

I'm a patriot before I'm a diplomat. Someone can bash my country till their face is blue but start spreading bull and I get ticked. I'm goanna step off my soap box now.

I'm not questioning anyone's faith in one's country, and our landing on the moon has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with either diplomacy or patriotism. All I'm saying is that tere is as much evidence to discredit that event as there is to support it, and I'm leaving it at that . . . there's no point in going into discussion about it seeing as how we don't realy need this thread to be de-railed into another highly controversial topic, cool?

Anyways, I stoutly agree that those planes caused the damage they did . . . without a doubt. Ever seen footage of anti-structural missile testing? It's very similar, if not comparable. A large passenger plane with enough velocity will have such a kinetic impact (which generates a ton of frictiona and heat) that its "payloda" of jet fuel can do some considerable damage. Then take into account that jet fuel is still a highly refined petroleum base, and with it being spread inside and outside the building from the impact, you can't tell me that a petroleum base fuel isn't going to spread when the buildings sprinkler systems kick in, which will just spread the blaze even more.

[85maro]

I'm not questioning anyone's faith in one's country,

I wasn't saying you did, that comment was directed more twoards a certain northerner who thinks he's got it all figued out. Just thought it was funny you pointed it out.

and our landing on the moon has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with either diplomacy or patriotism.

We were trying to beat the Russians to the moon though, and all the same it was a very proud day for the U.S. and the world. I for one believe it happened. This forum's already off topic, it started as a comparison of bush to hitler. But I have to add that all the jet fuel spilling into the buildings had to spill into lower floors (via air vents, elevators, ect.) and with the sprinklers ontop that spreading it even more it's no wonder they collapsed.

[Ortie666]

w.e u guys have your theorys and ill have mine.. fact is that none of it can really truly be proven.. why didnt they take more pictures at the pentagon.. or juss relese one of the tapes showing the crash, or what was under the blue tarp??.. who knows.. well obvioulsy someone does.. Im not that person, and nore are any of you. Hell I dont think Bush even knows kuss when questioned about if there was advanced knolege about 9/11 he had no clue what was going on.
Im juss saying that there is more reason for "me" to beleve that the new owneship of the WTC wanted there insurance money from the buildings, im sure the pentagon could use some insurance money on that new section too.. and being that the government was able to confenscate all the "evedence$$" in the holdingcells below the WTC everyone is happy.. well except for the guys who were told to hijack planes and run them into a building so they would goto hevan and nail 17 virgin's??? haha...now that sounds like bullshit!! well whoever sent them, Sent them TO AMERICA!!! They could have juss landed got off went to a tittybar and found a couple ah slick honey's to get jiggy with all nite... and then all they had to do was wrap there head back up with a towel and they would have been more than welcomed to stay and take americans, OR canadians jobs..