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  • #1

    Heavy beasts

    Today at the shop the other tech was adjusting the suspension on a pro-stock '65 GTO and had the car sitting on scales for it. Full weight including the driver was ~3200 lbs. Considering this is a ragtop, steel body GTO with a reinforced frame, ladderbars, roll cage and a bb 427 motor sitting in it, still carrying most of it's factory equipment; that's fairly heavy . . .

    . . . until for shits & giggles we put my '99 GAGT1 on the scales and she clocked in at ~3350 lbs including driver., and I weigh the same amount as the owner of the goat!



    I knew the GA's were heavy beasts, but, WTF batman?! I'm sorry, but IMO for a 210hp v6 powered 3300 lb car to be able to run 14's in a 1/4 is friggin respectable! The goat only dials in 11.8 in a 1/4, and that's with a 400+ hp motor! The 3400 deserves some respect!
    N-body enthusiast:
    {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
    {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

    Current Project:
    {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}
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  • #2
    210hp? 14's? I guess you are talking about yours that's modded.
    And "only" 11.8 is pretty fast!!

    Does your car have the 4T60E or 4T45-E?

    Mine has the 60E. Mine is heavy too, but I think not quite as heavy. For such a small car the grand am weighs as much as a GP almost!!!

    I think what's more amazing is how leight that GTO is!!! WTF are they doing to cars now-a-days to make them so heavy!!! I mean a BB RWD, roll cage, braced FULL SIZED old school car only weighs 3200lbs?!?!?!?! WOW!
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    1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
     16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
    Original L82 Longblock     with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
    Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by IsaacHayes
      WTF are they doing to cars now-a-days to make them so heavy!!!
      Uhh, well lets see 4 or more forward gears, dual zone controlled, 10 disk changin' multi-airbagged, side-impact beamed, sound deadened, power seated, power windowed, power lock and mirrored, leathery, 50 cupholder, 80 lbs plastic trimmed, over-the-top ass cars of today versus a stripped car with no interior, no spare tire/jack, no AC, 15" pizzacutters and no sound deadening?

      Look at the weight break a stripper gets you. Now you know why I went out of my way to find a GP with manual windows, locks, seats, mirrors, etc. The only weight I carry is a DIC I installed (~3.5 lbs), and AC, but that was a necessary evil for Texas.

      We should convince GM to start selling real hotrods like in the old days with no options and even stereo delete plates for credit on the purchase price.

      Kurt

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      • #4
        You for got to mention the 50#+ weight difference in the wiring alone.
        1999 Grand Prix SE 3100
        1997 Dodge Ram 1500 4X4 Ext cab. 5.2L
        1977 Dodge Power Wagon, Short bed, Fuel injected 360, 4spd, Dana 60's, Little Red Express bed.

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        • #5
          Lemme know when GM responds.
          If you are driving a Chevy, everything else, is just a blur. 3.4 Carbon Footprint.
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          • #6
            210hp? 14's? I guess you are talking about yours that's modded.
            And "only" 11.8 is pretty fast!!

            Does your car have the 4T60E or 4T45-E?
            yeah, I'm talkin bout mine with the 14's. But 11.8 for a GTO is alright . . . he'd run a hell'o lot better if he'd let us put a damn powerglide in the friggin thing and take that damn muncie out. That and a REAL motor instead of a GM frankenstein . . . He's got the money, he just doesn't want to afford it.

            Anyways, I've got the T45. I'm planning on swapping my '98 T60 in somethime this year, though.
            N-body enthusiast:
            {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
            {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

            Current Project:
            {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

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            • #7
              The new G6 GTP's have a curb weight around 3500 lbs, that's without a driver. At that point the use of the more powerful 3900/3.6DOHC almost becomes moot. It's amazing the new cars get the fuel mileage they do with all the added weight.
              Last edited by Azrael; 06-20-2006, 06:55 PM.
              1995 Grand Am SE

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              • #8
                Crazy, ain't it? I think it's amazing that GM's of today weigh in as much as the GM battleships of the '60s (except for the Cadillac's). If they could trim the cars down to the same weight as most of the imports, and still use these same motors . . .
                N-body enthusiast:
                {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
                {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

                Current Project:
                {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

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                • #9
                  Hmm my car doesn't have a lot of those things, and still weighs a lot. Maybe it is the wiring!! I guess copper can add up in weight pretty fast!!

                  Yeah I looked up the G6 once and it weighs more than a 98 GP!! I was like well forget that car, I thought it'd be small & quick!!!

                  Not many newer cars get me excited because they A) look boring, or B) are too heavy, and if you throw lots of HP it's way, the trans goes due to the power and having to pull the heavy car. So I'm still all for taking the older lighter cars and making them fast instead.
                  sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
                  1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                   16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                  Original L82 Longblock                   with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                  Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                  • #10
                    That's why so many Fiero's are running with the 60* motors
                    N-body enthusiast:
                    {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
                    {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

                    Current Project:
                    {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

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                    • #11
                      It's not just GM though. Even the new mitsubishi eclipse GT's are near 3500lbs. The trend for added weight could also be the additional framing needed to meet the ever increasing safety standards.
                      1995 Grand Am SE

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                      • #12
                        It's the simple things that save lives though, like GM's commitment to DRL's. Vehicles would also be safer if people could actually drive . . . no staring at the radio, no yaking on the phone, no leaning the seat back tryin to be 'thug', no chaning lanes without usng your mirrors, no overloading your vehicle, etc. It seems as the make vehicles safer and safer, people's amount of common sense gets smaller and smaller.
                        N-body enthusiast:
                        {'87 Grand Am SE - 3.0 90* v6} / {'93 Grand Am LE - 3.3 90* v6}
                        {'98 Grand Am SE - 2.4 Q4} / {'99 Grand Am GT1 - 3400 60* v6}

                        Current Project:
                        {'90 Chevrolet C1500 Sport 350TBI}

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                        • #13
                          ugh I hate DRLs. burns out bulbs and you cant turn them off when your car is running. However I do drive with my parking lights on like the F-bodies have. But the main thing is I can turn mine off if I want!

                          If they wanted they could make a lighter car for speed/mpg and still have a lot of that stuff. But that isn't cheap, and that is always a factor.
                          sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
                          1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                           16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                          Original L82 Longblock                           with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                          Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                          • #14
                            Seems "Common Sense" isn't so common.
                            If you are driving a Chevy, everything else, is just a blur. 3.4 Carbon Footprint.
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                            • #15
                              A new Volkswagen GTI is somewhere around 3200-3300 lbs nowadays.

                              20 years ago, it was sub-2000lbs.

                              At least the Solstice is sub-3000.
                              60v6's original Jon M.

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